$10 PL O 6-max: 3-bet pot, flop middle set on two-tone board, turn baby flush draw

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$10 PL O 6-max: 3-bet pot, flop middle set on two-tone board, turn baby flush draw

I'd appreciate some suggestions on each street, and what our plan should be going forward. This is on Rush Poker.

full tilt poker $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha High
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SB: $10.22
BB: $8.79
Hero: $26.09
HJ: $6.58
CO: $20.83
BTN: $30.67

Preflop: ($0.15)
Hero has 7:heart: 7:club: 8:club: 9:heart:
Hero raises to $0.35, HJ folds, CO folds, BTN calls $0.35, SB raises to $0.92, BB folds, Hero calls $0.57, BTN calls $0.57

Flop: ($2.86) J:heart: 7:diamond: 2:diamond:
SB checks, Hero ???

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Hero checks
, BTN bets $1.43, SB calls $1.43, Hero calls $1.43

Turn: ($7.15) 5:heart:
SB checks, Hero ???
 
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We flopped a fit, so why not check/raise the flop? We have the 2nd nuts, and a gutshot (which will eat 6 outs from a wrap type hand). I'm not sure what their stacking range is, but flopping a hand like this in a 3-bet pot has to be near the top of our range.
 
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I like a c/r on the flop and getting it in... if he has JJ or he has diamonds and gets there so be it
 
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As played, ditto - but I like betting out pot on the flop too. We've got a strong, vulnerable hand and do not want the pot to remain multiway - it's one thing if SB spikes his (presumed) top set (you didn't mention a 3bet stat for SB? or is this rush?), another if BTN makes his 8hi diamond flush or runner/runners a wrap.
 
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I'd be inclined to either donk bet the flop or c/r. The hand is too vulnerable to call and let another card come through. I think by the turn you almost have to bet out a full pot sized bet here just for protection, and you've got the heart re-draw.
 
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Why is every draw in Omaha a re-draw?
 
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Maybe I used that term incorrectly. It's spring weekend here. Don't feel like thinking. I just use "redraw" as a back up draw in addition to made hand.
 
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So my line was too passive on the flop it seems. What are the benefits of donking vs c/r-ing?
 
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IMO donking is a little safer, but here you would have been called anyway. You just make a pot size bet and try to end the hand right there. It reminds me of a situation I was in a few days ago, I had something like 88xx in the BB and there was a raise from UTG with like 4 callers and I called and the flop came 8h7d2d and I was planning on a c/r but it checked around, and the Ad came on the turn and I had to give up the hand. I guess that would be one advantage to donk betting, getting the money in while you have the best and not letting people draw for free. If the original raiser had c-bet with an overpair and the FD called and I c/r I would be in a really good spot. I think if you had c/r you would be getting a lot of money in the pot and as long as you're not against top set you're really not in bad shape and some of those drawing hands might even fold leaving dead money.

c/r would really price out a lot of draws and get a lot of money in the pot, and I usually feel fine c/r with middle set because I feel if you just call there there's so many cards that could kill you - any diamond, 8, 9, T...not a lot of blanks.
 
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When you have a made hand, but also have draws to a better made hand. Here, Hero has the second nuts with second set and has redraws to a straight (gutshot) and a flush.
 
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Thanks for the help all, I understand why the aggression is better here, since we won't like many of the we're going to see. Here's the rest of the hand:

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Turn: ($7.15) 5:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $7.15, BTN folds, SB folds
 
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A redraw is a draw to improve your hand after hitting a draw. So here, if the turn was the T then we'd have the nut straight with a re-draw to a flush or full house. (Hence, we hit a draw once, now we do it again... redraw!)
 
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