$10 NLHE Full Ring: Did you go all-in in this situation?

Mcclares · May 17, 2020

PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 170 BB
BB: 191.4 BB
UTG: 68.5 BB
UTG+1: 154.8 BB
Hero (MP): 101.5 BB
MP+1: 45.6 BB
CO: 107.6 BB
BTN: 101.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: A:spade:

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 9:club: J:heart: K:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 10.3 BB, BB calls 10.3 BB

Turn: (42.1 BB, 2 players) A:club:
BB checks, Hero bets 24.1 BB, BB calls 24.1 BB

River: (90.3 BB, 2 players) 5:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets 58.1 BB and is all-in, BB calls 58.1 BB

I need you advices, would you go all-in with this hand? or better way was check

eetenor · May 17, 2020

Mcclares said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 170 BB
BB: 191.4 BB
UTG: 68.5 BB
UTG+1: 154.8 BB
Hero (MP): 101.5 BB
MP+1: 45.6 BB
CO: 107.6 BB
BTN: 101.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♠

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣ J♥ K♣
BB checks, Hero bets 10.3 BB, BB calls 10.3 BB

Turn: (42.1 BB, 2 players) A♣
BB checks, Hero bets 24.1 BB, BB calls 24.1 BB

River: (90.3 BB, 2 players) 5♥
BB checks, Hero bets 58.1 BB and is all-in, BB calls 58.1 BB

I need you advices, would you go all-in with this hand? or better way was check

Thank you for posting

The key strategy here is recognizing when the turn card drastically changes our hand strength vs our villain’s range.

While we did improve to two pair it means we are now only beating a slow played two pair. Most players would check raise J9 on the flop and KJ should be raising most of the time as this is a very wet board. So we may assume our villain has either a much stronger hand than us or much weaker hand.

So making large bets in that situation is the worst strategy as we will often only be called by the strong hands. So on the turn we could check to keep in weak Ax hands that we will get value from on the river while not risking our stack vs sets -straights and flushes

Hope this helps

Mcclares · May 17, 2020

eetenor said:
Thank you for posting

The key strategy here is recognizing when the turn card drastically changes our hand strength vs our villain’s range.

While we did improve to two pair it means we are now only beating a slow played two pair. Most players would check raise J9 on the flop and KJ should be raising most of the time as this is a very wet board. So we may assume our villain has either a much stronger hand than us or much weaker hand.

So making large bets in that situation is the worst strategy as we will often only be called by the strong hands. So on the turn we could check to keep in weak Ax hands that we will get value from on the river while not risking our stack vs sets -straights and flushes

Hope this helps

thank you very much)

fundiver199 · May 18, 2020

Its very dependent on, who the Villain is. If he is a fish, you can certainly stack off for value in a spot like this. If he is a regular though, then his range is much more narrow. This start already, when he cold call your 3-bet out of position, which a regular will only do with a few very strong hands.

So against a regular you need to ask yourself, which worse hands he is going to call you down with? He wont even have hands like AJ or KJ from the preflop action, and he is not going to stack off QQ and probably also not AQ. So against a regular you pretty much get called down by AK, which you split with, and JJ/99, which you lose to.

Aballinamion · May 22, 2020

Mcclares said:
PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 170 BB
BB: 191.4 BB
UTG: 68.5 BB
UTG+1: 154.8 BB
Hero (MP): 101.5 BB
MP+1: 45.6 BB
CO: 107.6 BB
BTN: 101.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♠

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣ J♥ K♣
BB checks, Hero bets 10.3 BB, BB calls 10.3 BB

Turn: (42.1 BB, 2 players) A♣
BB checks, Hero bets 24.1 BB, BB calls 24.1 BB

River: (90.3 BB, 2 players) 5♥
BB checks, Hero bets 58.1 BB and is all-in, BB calls 58.1 BB

I need you advices, would you go all-in with this hand? or better way was check

First of all: respect your opponent at the tables and pay real attention on what they do, and why they do what they choose to do.
When BB calls your 3-bet preflop BB is very, very strong, you should consider it, because there are still UTG to speak and what BB is going to do if UTG 4-bets/Squeezes? At the moment of the action BB had not idea of what UTG would do next so we do not expect many speculative hands to be calling down on BB's shoes.

OTF: considering this is a 3-bet pot, where UTG raised first, the pot is very big and we should try to avoid 1/2 pot c-bet on scenarios like this, because we might be charging from draws but we could be already dead for a lot of hands on BB's cold caling range oop, such as 99, JJ, J9, K9, KJ, and even the bluffs are very strong such as the Qx and Tx.
BB calls OTF and we should ask ourselves what is the continuation range of Villain in situations like this and what are we going to do all possible turns before it happens: this Ax OTT is very good for our range, but also very good for Villain's ranges as well.
It completes a flush and a straight and I don't see why to value bet our own range, where our two pair could be already dead:
There is a gigantic chance of Villain to fold anything here, since now Hero/You should have KK, AA, JJ, AK, and a couple of flushes and straight mades.
Plus, what is your intention going for 1/2 pot c-bet OTT? Which hands called OTF that possiblily could continue paying OTT?
OTR you should have checked behind instead of going all-in, otherwise you are turning a hand with plenty of showdown value into a bluff and the fact that you never protect your weaker range when you do so: you are trying to deny equity and represent something that you don't own.
Take initiative to explore the opponent weaknesses: check-behind OTR so you do not give a chance of the player in the BB to play close to perfection.
When you go all-in OTR which specific worst hands you expect to be calling down, considering how wet-drawie-connected this board configuration is? A9? A5? Are you sure these hands are calling a push here?
And how many combos of worst hands are? How many combos of hands that have us beat? We use to calculate these things before going all-in OTR because 'we hit top two..'

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

Mcclares · May 23, 2020

Aballinamion said:
First of all: respect your opponent at the tables and pay real attention on what they do, and why they do what they choose to do.
When BB calls your 3-bet preflop BB is very, very strong, you should consider it, because there are still UTG to speak and what BB is going to do if UTG 4-bets/Squeezes? At the moment of the action BB had not idea of what UTG would do next so we do not expect many speculative hands to be calling down on BB's shoes.

OTF: considering this is a 3-bet pot, where UTG raised first, the pot is very big and we should try to avoid 1/2 pot c-bet on scenarios like this, because we might be charging from draws but we could be already dead for a lot of hands on BB's cold caling range oop, such as 99, JJ, J9, K9, KJ, and even the bluffs are very strong such as the Qx and Tx.
BB calls OTF and we should ask ourselves what is the continuation range of Villain in situations like this and what are we going to do all possible turns before it happens: this Ax OTT is very good for our range, but also very good for Villain's ranges as well.
It completes a flush and a straight and I don't see why to value bet our own range, where our two pair could be already dead:
There is a gigantic chance of Villain to fold anything here, since now Hero/You should have KK, AA, JJ, AK, and a couple of flushes and straight mades.
Plus, what is your intention going for 1/2 pot c-bet OTT? Which hands called OTF that possiblily could continue paying OTT?
OTR you should have checked behind instead of going all-in, otherwise you are turning a hand with plenty of showdown value into a bluff and the fact that you never protect your weaker range when you do so: you are trying to deny equity and represent something that you don't own.
Take initiative to explore the opponent weaknesses: check-behind OTR so you do not give a chance of the player in the BB to play close to perfection.
When you go all-in OTR which specific worst hands you expect to be calling down, considering how wet-drawie-connected this board configuration is? A9? A5? Are you sure these hands are calling a push here?
And how many combos of worst hands are? How many combos of hands that have us beat? We use to calculate these things before going all-in OTR because 'we hit top two..'

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

I wanted to say it long ago. Your advices really work, you notice things, which I did know even. Thank you very much again!

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