$10 NLHE Full Ring: what can you put villian on

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$10 NL HE Full Ring: what can you put villian on

I'm not gonna post the results yet I want to see what you think these guys have and if I played it right to this point.


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pokerstars Game #37626965616: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/01/04 5:29:32 ET
Table 'Norma II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Nagangster ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 2: nrl89 ($2.60 in chips)
Seat 3: alex7774 ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Rheingold77 ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 5: anton 591 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: Grossberger ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 7: vinTKD ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 8: paul2222 ($15.90 in chips)
Seat 9: broedi1944 ($2.80 in chips)
vinTKD: posts small blind $0.05
paul2222: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Grossberger [Ad As]
broedi1944: calls $0.10
Nagangster: folds
nrl89: folds
alex7774: calls $0.10
Rheingold77: calls $0.10
anton 591: folds
Grossberger: raises $0.30 to $0.40
vinTKD: folds
paul2222: folds
broedi1944: calls $0.30
alex7774: folds
Rheingold77: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 7c]
broedi1944: bets $0.50
Rheingold77: raises $0.70 to $1.20 and is all-in
Grossberger: raises $0.80 to $2
broedi1944: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [8s 2d 7c] [5d]
broedi1944: checks
Grossberger: bets $0.40
broedi1944: calls $0.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 7c 5d] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
 
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poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: $2.25
UTG+2: $2.60
MP1: $9.60
MP2: $1.60
CO: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $8.50
SB: $1.90
BB: $15.90
UTG: $2.80

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A:diamond: A:spade:
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.30, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.45) 8:spade: 2:diamond: 7:club: (3 players)
UTG bets $0.50, MP2 raises to $1.20 all in, Hero raises to $2, UTG calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.65) (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40 all in

River: ($7.45) (3 players - 2 are all in)
 
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I think you need to raise more preflop. Not adjusting for limpers just begs to end up playing a multiway pot, which isn't really the goal with AA. Against 2 shortstacks, I'm getting this in 100% on the flop. They can be spewing with just about their entire range a lot of the time.
 
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Raise more preflop (.60 to .70) and just get it in on the flop.

As far as what they have, the usual limp/call stuff. Small pps and suited connectors. In other words I doubt you won the hand.
 
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In other words I doubt you won the hand.

Lol, yeah if I'm putting villains on a range for this exact hand it's {22, 77, 88, 87} cuz otherwise it doesn't get posted.
 
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It's obviously a bad beat story since you posted it here. My guess is villain has 99. It makes sense as to why he would reraise you so strong on the flop because he had an over pair and didn't want you to hit your AK/AQ that he probably put you on and seeing as this will end with a bad beat, 99 makes a straight with runner runner.

The rule of thumb is to raise 3-4x bb pf but to add another bb per limper. 3 limpers so make it at least .60 pfr.

And yes, definitely re-raise on the flop and make him put it all in. He might then put you on an over pair or set and fold.
 
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fwiw I didn't post that you lost because you posted it here. I based my range on most horrible players limp/call range and I stated that you probably lost the hand only because that board nails their ranges.

I would like to think you'd post the hand for HA win or lose.
 
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fwiw I didn't post that you lost because you posted it here. I based my range on most horrible players limp/call range and I stated that you probably lost the hand only because that board nails their ranges.

I would like to think you'd post the hand for HA win or lose.
yea I wanted to see if it should of been played differently once you see the result i'm not sure it would have mattered how it was played.
 
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PokerStars Game #37626965616: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/01/04 5:29:32 ET
Table 'Norma II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Nagangster ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 2: nrl89 ($2.60 in chips)
Seat 3: alex7774 ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Rheingold77 ($1.60 in chips)
Seat 5: anton 591 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: Grossberger ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 7: vinTKD ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 8: paul2222 ($15.90 in chips)
Seat 9: broedi1944 ($2.80 in chips)
vinTKD: posts small blind $0.05
paul2222: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Grossberger [Ad As]
broedi1944: calls $0.10
Nagangster: folds
nrl89: folds
alex7774: calls $0.10
Rheingold77: calls $0.10
anton 591: folds
Grossberger: raises $0.30 to $0.40
vinTKD: folds
paul2222: folds
broedi1944: calls $0.30
alex7774: folds
Rheingold77: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [8s 2d 7c]
broedi1944: bets $0.50
Rheingold77: raises $0.70 to $1.20 and is all-in
Grossberger: raises $0.80 to $2
broedi1944: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [8s 2d 7c] [5d]
broedi1944: checks
Grossberger: bets $0.40
broedi1944: calls $0.40 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [8s 2d 7c 5d] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
broedi1944: shows [9s Th] (a straight, Six to Ten)
Grossberger: mucks hand
broedi1944 collected $2.30 from side pot
Rheingold77: mucks hand
broedi1944 collected $4.80 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.45 Main pot $4.80. Side pot $2.30. | Rake $0.35
Board [8s 2d 7c 5d 6h]
Seat 1: Nagangster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: nrl89 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: alex7774 folded before Flop
Seat 4: Rheingold77 mucked [Tc Ts]
Seat 5: anton 591 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Grossberger (button) mucked [Ad As]
Seat 7: vinTKD (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: paul2222 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: broedi1944 showed [9s Th] and won ($7.10) with a straight, Six to Ten

Ok so here is the result highlight to see so those that havent chimed in yet can still give analysis.
 
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yea I wanted to see if it should of been played differently once you see the result i'm not sure it would have mattered how it was played.

Well, it might have changed things. Raising more preflop could have chased out the 9To guy or at least made him make a bigger mistake. Even as it turned out it's not a bad result for you. You ended up getting all your $$ in as a pretty big favorite and lost to a suckout. These are the type of hands that you really shouldn't dwell on. The only thing you can take from posting this one is to make your preflop raises larger with limpers in the pot. If you do that you'll be AI on the flop and the results don't really matter at that point.
 
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Well, it might have changed things. Raising more preflop could have chased out the 9To guy or at least made him make a bigger mistake. Even as it turned out it's not a bad result for you. You ended up getting all your $$ in as a pretty big favorite and lost to a suckout. These are the type of hands that you really shouldn't dwell on. The only thing you can take from posting this one is to make your preflop raises larger with limpers in the pot. If you do that you'll be AI on the flop and the results don't really matter at that point.
A bigger raise may have chased him out but if hes limping UTG with that and calling a raise is he really gonna fold to a bigger raise? I doubt it he was playing every hand. But I do agree I needed to raise bigger PF.
 
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It really doesn't matter if he folds or call the bigger raise preflop. All that matters is that he makes the biggest mistake possible.

Stop the results oriented stuff and you'll be much better off.
 
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A bigger raise may have chased him out but if hes limping UTG with that and calling a raise is he really gonna fold to a bigger raise? I doubt it he was playing every hand. But I do agree I needed to raise bigger PF.

Don't be results oriented. If he's bad enough to limp/call utg w T9o, and bad enough to limp/call an even bigger raise utg w T9o, we're happy. We actually don't want to chase him out of the pot, we want him to put more money in as a dog. pf, his hand is an 18% dog to your AA - we want to allow/encourage him to put as much money in the pot as possible.

And if he's willing to get it in on the flop as a 34% dog to your AA, by all means we're happy and want to allow/encourage him to do that. Roughly 1 out of every three times he'll win the pot, but roughly 2 out of every three times you will - that's an overwhelmingly favorable scenario.

The fact that he rivers his sd is irrelevant to the decision process (although it does suck from a results perspective).
 
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