$10 NLHE Full Ring: Unexpected re-raise on the flop

$10 NL HE Full Ring: Unexpected re-raise on the flop

Stacks:
* SB with $5.08
* BB with $2.00
* UTG with $10.04
* UTG+1 with $2.00
* MP1 with $3.50
* MP2 with $5.15
* CO with $7.18
* BTN with $16.68




Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to BTN:Q♥ J♣
* * Sklansky group 5
Preflop:
* * 1 players fold.
* * MP1 calls [$0.10]
* * 2 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.10]
* * SB calls [$0.05]
* * BB checks
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $0.4
Flop:
* * 7♣ 8♦ 10♥
* * SB bets [$0.20]
* * 2 players fold.
* * Hero raises to $0.50
* * SB raises to $2.20
* * Hero calls [$1.70]
* * Total folds this street: 2
* * Potsize: $4.8
Turn:
* * J♦
* * SB bets [$2.78, and is all in]
* * 1 players fold.
* * Uncalled bet of $2.78 returned to SB
* * SB wins the pot ($4.48)
* * Total folds this street: 1

I was expecting a call or a fold on the turn. Instead came a reraise.. I was under preasure as I had a few tables on the go and decided to call figuring that he would fire again on the turn and therefore decided that implied odds here were good to call for the gun shhot.

The turn brought an interesting card, the J.. giving me TP.. but the pot seemed too big to call with just TP so I folded.

Any reconmendations? I usually fold hands like JQ, TJ, KQ etc to any strength preflop, but have been having a lot of success with them lately as I am usually able to make a steal on the flop, sometimes hit the flop, but nether the less let go if im in trouble.

Any stats/reads on mp1 or sb? I would usually isolate here with the qjo rather than limp behind, it doesnt play well multiway. Mp1 is kind of short but if he's really loose you can get it in vs him pretty easily post flop if you flop top pair or a good draw.

As played sb could have anything since this is a limped pot. He raises the flop to almost half his stack and you call. At this point you don't have implied odds or pot odds to justify calling here if your just looking to hit a 9 which may even kill your action if you hit it. I think I fold right here, he's definately not folding at this point. Even against a pretty wide range here you probably only have about 25% equity at best.

why are you calling the flop 3bet lol?

Seriously, snap fold to the 3bet on the flop. You don't have implied odds to try and hit the gutshot, not even close.

You didn't include reads?

Riase preflop C-bet the flop let it go to resistance.

For goodness sake fold to the 3bet on the flop. The Flop 3 bet by the sb pot commits him so if you call you are playing for stacks. FOLD>shoving>calling.

Of course this is just my opinion so FWIW.

vanquish said:

why are you calling the flop 3bet lol?

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I dont know!! LOL

Well I sort of do..

What was going through my head is why would he 3-bet here? THe 3-bet just didnt make sense and in the 6 seconds i had to make a decision, I thought.. he is trying to buy this pot, therefore I can assume that he will fire again even if a 9 appears, so Im getting great implied odds.

When he shove the turn, I just wasnt getting pot odds, and had no additional implied odds. So I had to fold.

Stu_Ungar said:

I dont know!! LOL

Well I sort of do..

What was going through my head is why would he 3-bet here? THe 3-bet just didnt make sense and in the 6 seconds i had to make a decision, I thought.. he is trying to buy this pot, therefore I can assume that he will fire again even if a 9 appears, so Im getting great implied odds.

When he shove the turn, I just wasnt getting pot odds, and had no additional implied odds. So I had to fold.

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You need to play less tables then because this call is really just bad. The guy doesn't have even close to enough money left behind for you to have the implied odds to draw to a 4 outer. I don't really want to do any math right now but I think you'd both have to have at least $10 left behind, probably more, for this to be even close to profitable.

So if you're feeling rushed when making simple decisions like this I seriously think you need to consider cutting down on how many tables you're play.

SeanyJ said:

You need to play less tables then because this call is really just bad. The guy doesn't have even close to enough money left behind for you to have the implied odds to draw to a 4 outer. I don't really want to do any math right now but I think you'd both have to have at least $10 left behind, probably more, for this to be even close to profitable.

So if you're feeling rushed when making simple decisions like this I seriously think you need to consider cutting down on how many tables you're play.

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Yeah I dont disagree with the cutting down tables, but I'm new to multitabling and want to try and get my multitabling up and running. Im OK with 2 tables.. but a third just seems to confuse me right now.. it just seems that nothing happens for ages and then suddenly all tables come alive at the same time!

Im also thinking that GS are too week to play on their own. They need to be combined with TP or some other draw in order to make them worth while. So I think I'll play them that way in future.

How can his 3bet not make any sense?? The 3bet means he fo sho has at least 2 pair, or actually maybe at a stretch have t,9 but thats unlikely. I just fold to the initial flop bet, and i dont limp pre

I iso-raise pre-flop cause open limpers suck and i love playing them IP.

The flop is just nasty imo, i dont like the tiny re-raise(not even sure if i like a re-raise here) and i hate the call.

The turn we can be sure where behind but where still geting a decent price and some outs against his range, but the thing is we should never be in this spot in the first place.

From Tommy Angelo's Elements of Poker on Anticipation:

"There is one particular anticipation mistake that takes the cake. It's the simplest one, and the most common. In a headsup pot, when you bet or raise, your opponent can only fold, call, or raise. If he folds, your next betting decision is not until the next hand. If he calls, your next betting decision is not until the next street. If he raises - and only if he raises - you must act now. That is why, when you bet or raise, there is strategically nothing to anticipate except a raise, and therefore, if you have not anticipated a raise, you not only made a mistake, you made the only mistake possible."

WVHillbilly said:

From Tommy Angelo's Elements of Poker on Anticipation:

"There is one particular anticipation mistake that takes the cake. It's the simplest one, and the most common. In a headsup pot, when you bet or raise, your opponent can only fold, call, or raise. If he folds, your next betting decision is not until the next hand. If he call, your next betting decision is not until the next street. If he raises - and only if he raises - you must act now. That is why, when you bet or raise, there is strategically nothing to anticipate except a raise, and therefore, if you have not anticipated a raise, you not only made a mistake, you made the only mistake possible."

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lol tommy angelo

WVHillbilly said:

From Tommy Angelo's Elements of Poker on Anticipation:

"There is one particular anticipation mistake that takes the cake. It's the simplest one, and the most common. In a headsup pot, when you bet or raise, your opponent can only fold, call, or raise. If he folds, your next betting decision is not until the next hand. If he calls, your next betting decision is not until the next street. If he raises - and only if he raises - you must act now. That is why, when you bet or raise, there is strategically nothing to anticipate except a raise, and therefore, if you have not anticipated a raise, you not only made a mistake, you made the only mistake possible."

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Actually that is quite amazing!!