$10 NLHE Full Ring: TT in the small blind with a raise and call

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/12/45 only 25 hands

full tilt poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1035679
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UTG+1: $5.00
UTG+2: $4.70
MP1: $8.52
MP2: $2.00
CO: $2.26
BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $5.98
BB: $6.37
UTG: $7.35

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with T :club: T :spade:
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.20, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95) J :diamond: A :spade: 7 :heart: (2 players)
Hero ?

What now? Bad raise pre? set-mine instead?

I don't hate the 3 bet, it thins the field. I'm following through with a 3 bet here. He knows AK AQ are in your range. But if he's calling that raise enough with 99 QQ KQ even then c betting here is fine. You've shown strength pre and your heads up, c bet and see how he responds. If he calls, you're shutting down unless 10 comes.

Don't 3bet. Horrible spot for it.

Where you doing it for value as a bluff?
This guys pfr is 12% and he's raising from UTG. I'm never 3betting this guy light for value or fold equity.

QQ+/AK is all you'll catch me 3betting vs a guy this tight.

Yeah, I wouldn't ever 3bet TT here. Just call and set mine. His range is strong and even OOP you're likely to get paid if you hit.

WVHillbilly said:

Yeah, I wouldn't ever 3bet TT here. Just call and set mine. His range is strong and even OOP you're likely to get paid if you hit.

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just to confirm;

vs. UTG raise by fuilly stacked TAG correct line is probably to set mine JJ & down.

vs LAGs, there range is so wide that they might not stack off if you hit your set so you would be better off 3betting when IP a lot of medium pockets (77,88+??) you couldn't profitably call with. I'm guessing mixing in the occasional 3bet with 76s, A5s would also bet good as long as you tested their c-bets when the board looks like it may have missed them?


And against super aggro types you could flat the top of your range JJ+ AK as they will steam roller any attempt to play postflop and they're likely to stack off with AQ when you hit your set and he hits TPTK?

Sorry I disagree with all of this. So many generalizations. Villain is EP, he has a strong range etc. etc. Do you know how many regs I've seen at 10NL that were positionally clueless? Some even raise (way) more in early position than late position.

And ranges are not what you think they are at this level. 5% is not the top 5% of hands etc. alot of times.

Set mining is -EV because unless you know someone is a maniac/spewtard and will stack up anything, you're not going to win enough with your set most times. So either 3-bet or fold it.

On the flop you can fire 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot and give up if called and you don't improve.

Well I did put out a bet of about 2/3 pot after this. He proceeded to snap AI

HomeBrewer said:

Well I did put out a bet of about 2/3 pot after this. He proceeded to snap AI

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So what? results don't matter in one hand. If he folds his 99,55, KQ etc. etc. it's a good move.

ComplexPlaya said:

So what? results don't matter in one hand. If he folds his 99,55, KQ etc. etc. it's a good move.

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I'm pretty sure this isn't true? Well I mean the part about the results not mattering is true. But why would we want worse hands to fold?

I only meant it to say the next set of actions. I was not judging the play...was hoping you guys would do that.

ComplexPlaya said:

Set mining is -EV because unless you know someone is a maniac/spewtard and will stack up anything, you're not going to win enough with your set most times.

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250K Sample.
22-JJ set minings vs an EP/MP raise at 100NL

I'd expect JJ vs a 10NL 24/12 fish will yield better results.
Folding will lose you -50bb/100

Squeezing is probably fine given this is 10nl where people call especially light vs 3bets (right?).

As you move to stakes where people normally defend a tight, strong range vs 3bets, then doing so with TT can be bad. If that's the case here, then 3betting TT is bad.

You have to think about why you're doing it. 3 reasons for betting: value, bluff, and picking up dead money, ie buying your equity share in the pot.

If it's for 'protection' or 'info' or 'so you don't have to worry about playing postflop', rethink your decision.

Deco said:

250K Sample.
22-JJ set minings vs an EP/MP raise at 100NL

I'd expect JJ vs a 10NL 24/12 fish will yield better results.
Folding will lose you -50bb/100

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I can't really see the details in that pic, but it's clear you kinda missed the point. Perhaps I wasn't too clear but I was talking about this hand in particular, so let me rephrase that :

Set mining out of position in a 3-bet pot is -EV

Obviously cold calling a raise when we have position with a pocket pair should yield profit, especially 77+

Also, this is not rush like your sample. I never played rush but I'm sure it plays differently.

ComplexPlaya said:

I can't really see the details in that pic, but it's clear you kinda missed the point. Perhaps I wasn't too clear but I was talking about this hand in particular, so let me rephrase that :

Set mining out of position in a 3-bet pot is -EV

Obviously cold calling a raise when we have position with a pocket pair should yield profit, especially 77+

Also, this is not rush like your sample. I never played rush but I'm sure it plays differently.

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we're not calling a 3-bet out of position, we just are calling a normal raise in a multi-way pot. I don't think anyone would argue against you that set-mining in 3-bet pots is bad.

Rush really isn't that different (a 25/12 is still a 25/12), and like cjatud says, we're not set mining in a 3bet pot. In the OP we're the ones 3betting.

ChuckTs said:

Squeezing is probably fine given this is 10nl where people call especially light vs 3bets (right?).

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Even at 10NL I can't see us ever happily stacking off with TT OOP vs a 24/12s range.
Our best case scenario is we get it in vs villains 99 on an eight high board and even then villains just as likely to have JJ.


I aint convinced we will see too many non-pp hands to stack too often and value 3bet/folding TT for value here is thin if not outright -EV.

The point isn't to stack it pf or post, it's to get calls pf, and take it down on a lot of flop/turns, and sometimes stack stuff like 88 on 532r. My assumption is they'll flat 99- and random other bad hands like JTs etc too often, and as such we're 3betting for value. Same as what we do vs fish at our stakes with AQ etc.

I'm admittedly making a lot of assumptions here about 10nl that may or may not be true, but afaik the micros are generally looser than higher stakes. People are bad, they like to call, so we 3bet for value. Correct me if I'm wrong.