$10 NLHE Full Ring: TT on the BTN, 4Bet from the SB

$10 NL HE Full Ring: TT on the BTN, 4Bet from the SB

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 40/17/4

I have 42 hands on the villain here.

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+1: $9.25 (92.5 bb)
MP1: $11.20 (112 bb)
MP2: $7.35 (73.5 bb)
MP3: $2.45 (24.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $11.90 (119 bb)
BTN: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
SB: $18.10 (181 bb)
BB: $5.90 (59 bb)
UTG: $14.50 (145 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with T T
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.50 Hero ????

As we don't have odds to set mine, is this an easy fold?? we have position but the min 4bet looks a little suspicious to me. His 3Bet% is 21 though, over 42 hands!! I know it's a 4Bet he just made there but with 3Bet% that high he's either been getting dealt some monsters or he likes to pop it up a lot and be aggressive. An Oop min 4bet seemed a bit suspicious to me though, what do you think??

can we get the stats for both players?
im asuming that the 40/17/4 is the 4bettor but im not to crazy about our original 3bet unless we have somekind of stats/reads/history against MP1.
Im not usualy 3betting TT IP in FR unless villain is lpa/lag/fish/station.
If this where 6max i be insta shoving against this guy but im not sure about FR.
its probably fold thou imo.

sindri_93 said:

Im not usualy 3betting TT IP in FR unless villain is lpa/lag/fish/station.

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Curious about this, sindri. If this is your default action and we flat IP behind two, with maybe even a blind to complete, what's our plan on a dry flop with one non-Ace overcard? Or on a low flop and someone ahead bets at it? I ask because I don't know that I have a default action in this situation.

NineLions said:

Curious about this, sindri. If this is your default action and we flat IP behind two, with maybe even a blind to complete, what's our plan on a dry flop with one non-Ace overcard? Or on a low flop and someone ahead bets at it? I ask because I don't know that I have a default action in this situation.

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I usualy play 6max but have been moving more and more to FR and maybe im just overadjusting since im usualy 3beting TT at 6max.
If we 3bet and villain is for example a 24/20(so slightly loose for FR) what can we expect to be called by? imo something like JJ+ and AQ+,a range we have 40% equity against.
But against his opening range we have 59% equity.

Granted if we smooth call with TT IP where likly to get multiway some of the time and be in a lot of tricky situation and obvs. have to play our hand for more then set value and even play it all the way down on some J-high,Q-high board but the 19% of equity is quiet huge in the long run.

And on the plus side to smooth calling when IP(cause im just talking about calling in postion really since this is a 3bet for me OOP) is obvs. where IP, we dont end up needing to call shove cause of dead money even if we know our equity is not so good and another thing is, im asuming that Orange is better then a lot of 10NL players(judging from the post if seen from him) and there for should be able to out play villains on the flop.

I dont know maybe Belgo,zach,jagsti,C9 ect can correct me but i just feel TT has to much value to potential turn it into a bluff by 3betting here,i would rather squese with 72 here cause then i atleast have an better idea where i stand.

p.s
Note this could all be a mute point if MP1 is a 65/43 spaz but im asuming he is atleast a avarage 10NL player.

sindri_93 said:

can we get the stats for both players?
im asuming that the 40/17/4 is the 4bettor but im not to crazy about our original 3bet unless we have somekind of stats/reads/history against MP1.
Im not usualy 3betting TT IP in FR unless villain is lpa/lag/fish/station.
If this where 6max i be insta shoving against this guy but im not sure about FR.
its probably fold thou imo.

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Yes the 4bettor is the 40/17, MP1 (the original raiser) is at 33/14/3 hence the 3bet from me, I know i'm ahead of him, i could possibly flat call if the following players were the tight type but with a 40/17 in the SB i wanted to make sure he didnt come in tbh, if he doesn't come in and MP1 calls i know i'm ahead on a non high card flop, but the 4bet from the 40/17 throws me slightly, his raising range is quite high but i don't know his 4bet range, is this something that should be adding to my HUD now that i've made the move up to 10nl??

Without 4-bet stats on the SB I think its a fold.