$10 NLHE Full Ring: Trip QQQ flop and pos

- $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem (9 players)

SB: $14.60
BB: $21.49
UTG: $17.67
UTG+1: $10.88
VPIP 19% PFR 13% AGG 1.4 HANDS 12,000
MP+1: $21.75
MP+2: $10.85
CO Hero: $10.36
BTN: $6.70

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO and dealt
2 folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) (2 players)
MP bets $1.61, Hero should we just shove it all in now or make it like pot or $5.00 ???

Shove.

I can't see what his stack size is. Assuming he started with 100bb though, normally I'd just make it $4.50 here. Just allows them to get dumb and call with a draw. Whereas if we just ship we might force them to make a much better play by folding.

Oh yea sorry $14.26 is what he has

Raise enough so that you have odds to call it off if a bad card hits the turn and he shoves, like $5+.

can I case be made not to 3bet this?

IDK, why would you not 3-bet

Passive donks into you in 3bet pot and you have nuts? Shove.

baudib1 said:

IDK, why would you not 3-bet

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This guy kind of seems like he has an idea of how to play so he prob has a high f3bet. If that's the case I'd think he'd fold alot of hands after getting 3bet and most likely 4bet kk+, especially with him being OOP

Can someone explain to me why this is an auto-jam? We're assuming villain never bet/folds here, right?

There's just not very many combos of legit hands villain can have....

at micros these days when someone donks into PFRR they have sets like 80% of the time.

c9h13no3 said:

Can someone explain to me why this is an auto-jam? We're assuming villain never bet/folds here, right?

There's just not very many combos of legit hands villain can have....

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Ya I flat this all day. Donking draws is really uncommon from these tagfish and like c9 says, there's just not much he can have. I usually flat to keep in his bluffs/middle pairs or raise small to induce.

baudib1 said:

at micros these days when someone donks into PFRR they have sets like 80% of the time.

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I doubt this is really accurate, but even if his range is like sets+middle pairs, we always stack sets (barring running hearts or whatever), and still make sure we don't push out his marginal hands.

Yeah I like the idea of just calling since there isn't much he can have to call a 3-bet or shove, and if he is bluffing he might try again on the turn.

I like flat calling here, there is a strong possibility of a standard c-bet here and he folds to a raise if he has nothing, but by flatting you might induce a second bet. He's not folding a flush draw at this level anyways so if a scare card comes on the turn like another heart and he bets heavy or checks, you can either fold check back saving yourself some money. If he has a pair of queens or middle pair or set then he then all the money is going in anyways, or he might fold to a raise but might take another stab to see where he's at on the turn.

I didn't really consider calling. The more that I look at this hand, it is definitely a decent option as well. In general I try not to level myself too much in these spots are the micros because they will find an excuse to get it in with almost anything. And especially if you have a reasonably aggro image.

That said, you have an enormous sample size on this guy (12k hands). He is very passive but what is his donk bet %? If its like 5% it's basically a set every time so I would just raise and get it in so I don't have my action hurt by another heart.

Some other questions would be is there a dynamic between the two of you? Have you won a bunch of pots recently off him for instance and he might do something completely out of character like barrel with something ridiculous here? If so, obv just call the flop.

c9h13no3 said:

Can someone explain to me why this is an auto-jam? We're assuming villain never bet/folds here, right?

There's just not very many combos of legit hands villain can have....

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I guess it's not an auto-jam, but I definitely think raising is better than flatting. Another heart comes on the turn and he might shut down even if he has a set. If we call, and the turn comes a heart and he pots it, what do we do? I think raising is better than calling in this spot because we have the nuts and I still think he's donking with a strong holding rather than a bluff. And if he was bluffing, are we getting anymore from him? Probably not looking at his stats.

So, I'm raising at least, shoving mostly.

at micros these days when someone donks into PFRR they have sets like 80% of the time.

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Indeed!

I doubt this is really accurate, but even if his range is like sets+middle pairs, we always stack sets (barring running hearts or whatever), and still make sure we don't push out his marginal hands.

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baudid1 is mostly right, mate. I used to raise donks until about a month ago and started folding because I was facing sets time and time and time again. Passive players and bad nits donk this board almost always with nothing but a set. On very rare occasions I picked passive players donking this FDs + pair or gutshot + overcards but those are so so so rare that I'd not call here.

If it was a drooler or a maniac, I'd flat and wait for their next weird bets but in this case I'd shove and expect to be called by a smaller set many times.

I keep up on my reading.