$10 NLHE Full Ring: stacking JJ postflop- standard or did i get owned?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 20/14/2.7

pokerstars Hand #84342877423: Hold'em No Limit (€0.05/€0.10 EUR) - 2012/08/06 12:20:34 AEST [2012/08/05 22:20:34 ET]
Table 'Himalia III' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Erbauer (€10.59 in chips)
Seat 2: kos6100 (€7.43 in chips)
Seat 3: acid dark (€4.93 in chips)
Seat 4: Chamssi1982 (€11.09 in chips)
Seat 5: serena2011 (€10 in chips)
Seat 7: draken_devil (€36.11 in chips)
Seat 8: Adoska (€2.95 in chips)
Seat 9: jchoop (€10.59 in chips)
Adoska: posts small blind €0.05
jchoop: posts big blind €0.10
ArtasB: sits out

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jchoop [Jd Jc]
Erbauer: folds
kos6100: raises €0.40 to €0.50
acid dark: folds
Chamssi1982: folds
serena2011: raises €1.15 to €1.65
draken_devil: folds
Adoska: folds
jchoop: calls €1.55
kos6100: calls €1.15
*** FLOP *** [3c 5s 8c]
jchoop: checks
kos6100: checks
serena2011: bets €3.40
jchoop: calls €3.40
kos6100: folds
*** TURN *** [3c 5s 8c] [6c]
jchoop: checks
serena2011: bets €4.95 and is all-in
jchoop: calls €4.95
*** RIVER *** [3c 5s 8c 6c] [As]

stats up top for vil. he was squeezing a big fish. 3b stat of 11.5 over 162 hands at the time.

with his aggro as high as it is, im guessing he plays 88-AA plus some AcKc, AcQc type hands this way

just fold preflop villain isnt going to be bluffing the fish so its marginal whether you are ahead or not preflop id rather 4bet get in preflop if you think your ahead of villains range as the fish can still 4bet which you would have to fold to so you could just be burning 1.65 for no reason. As played you should get it in on the flop as thers not many better flops for you other than a jack high flop calling flop an seeing an qk or a would makre it an even worse spot with half your stack already in.

fold or 4bet preflop

fold or 4bet pre.

The higher you move up in stakes the more important this type of spot becomes. Don't flat 3-bets from the blinds with this type of hand.

As played bet/fold the flop. Since you didn't do that, c/f. As played, shove the turn. You might as well try to turn your hand into a bluff to salvage this.

bgomez89 said:

fold or 4bet preflop

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This because flatting 16 big blinds and trying to play JJ OOP seems like a pretty negative EV idea to me. I would lean more towards folding in general. Given the player type this might be a special case though.

Yes. A far far better player than I'll ever be once explained this to me: When you flat 3-bets from the blinds, regs will put you on TT-QQ and tend to play very well against you. He said he'd rather have AA, AK or 55 for deception instead of having the hand that they think you have.

As noted, the reg is not going to be 3-betting a fish's EP raise wide. Also if you're going to put a 3/4 pot-sized bet in on the flop, you might as well lead it yourself to trap the fish in and make the reg play honestly. C/C is just awful because if the fish can easily have QQ+ and stuff it in.

baudib1 said:

Yes. A far far better player than I'll ever be once explained this to me: When you flat 3-bets from the blinds, regs will put you on TT-QQ and tend to play very well against you. He said he'd rather have AA, AK or 55 for deception instead of having the hand that they think you have.

As noted, the reg is not going to be 3-betting a fish's EP raise wide. Also if you're going to put a 3/4 pot-sized bet in on the flop, you might as well lead it yourself to trap the fish in and make the reg play honestly. C/C is just awful because if the fish can easily have QQ+ and stuff it in.

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Hey man this is awesome thanks heaps! I love hearing shit like this that makes me see something I previously hadnt. Cheers