$10 NLHE Full Ring: Should I have played this differently?

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This is my first post here so I hope this is right. Hopefully posting my big losses will plug any leaks. I probably done a few things wrong here so here it is.


poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1100818
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BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $11.07
BB: $10.00
UTG: $11.23
UTG+1: $8.54
MP1: $10.82
MP2: $4.42
CO: $15.34

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A :spade: J :club:
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.00) 9 :spade: J :heart: 7 :heart: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.60, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.60, MP1 calls $1

Turn: ($4.20) 5 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2

River: ($8.20) T :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $3.10, Hero calls $3.10
 
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Not sure how many hands you played against villian before this? River is a horrible card. And you showed weakness by checking river so pretty tuff call except for pot odds or do you have pot odds to make this call??. And i would have C-bet flop for sure.. I ask myself???Why does the villian call your reraise on the flop and calls the bet on the turn is he trying to get there??If he had like trips wouldn't he reraise you back?? And bets the river??? Does he have KQ ?? Mid pos bet pre 3xbb is prob standard for KQ right???:icon_puke
 
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i think you can raise more on the flop. with board that drawy, if you are going for the c/r i think you should make it more than the pot.

turn bet should definitely be bigger.

river looks like a value bet to me, but that could be results oriented (dont hint at results in the post!)
 
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I would donk bet this flop because you don't know MP1 will cbet. If you're sure he will sure go for it.

Raise a lot bigger on the flop. Make it $3-$4 to shove the turn is perfect. As played bet bigger on turn, obv.

River is a fold, he is never betting KJ or QJ there, so you're only beating his bluffs which are nowhere near enough to call.
 
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Villain raises pre, bets flop, and calls a check raise...

With TPTK I actually check the turn here... I'm not looking to fire 3 streets or get it all in with TP... I'll have to check some where... probably the turn.
 
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Villain raises pre, bets flop, and calls a check raise...

With TPTK I actually check the turn here... I'm not looking to fire 3 streets or get it all in with TP... I'll have to check some where... probably the turn.

This is very, very wrong. "I have TPTK I'm going to check" - why? You only want one cbet out of TPTK and get scared when called?

People at 10NL call so much TPTK is the absolute nuts in most cases unless you get raised. And on this board there is a TON that will call you...you are definitely ahead of their calling range.
 
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This is very, very wrong. "I have TPTK I'm going to check" - why? You only want one cbet out of TPTK and get scared when called?

People at 10NL call so much TPTK is the absolute nuts in most cases unless you get raised. And on this board there is a TON that will call you...you are definitely ahead of their calling range.

It's not that I "only want one cbet"... and I'm not really scared of anything in particular (although I think villain may have an over pair)... I just rarely overplay TP.

If our opponent has stuck around after a check raise on the flop, what hands will he continue to play in the face of turn and river bets. I say, only hands that have us beat.

I'm not firing 3 streets w/ TPTK against an opponent that I have no stats on. I'm going to have to check somewhere or risk getting a big portion of my stack in with a vulnerable hand.

I prefer to check the turn rather than the river.
 
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It's not that I "only want one cbet"... and I'm not really scared of anything in particular (although I think villain may have an over pair)... I just rarely overplay TP.

If our opponent has stuck around after a check raise on the flop, what hands will he continue to play in the face of turn and river bets. I say, only hands that have us beat.

I'm not firing 3 streets w/ TPTK against an opponent that I have no stats on. I'm going to have to check somewhere or risk getting a big portion of my stack in with a vulnerable hand.

I prefer to check the turn rather than the river.

Board has a ton of potential draws that will call the turn but fold river if they miss or we may fail to get value if a draw completes on the river because we're afraid to bet. Get your 2 streets (if that's really all you think you can get. I generally disagree with this but w/e) before the river on boards like this.
 
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Board has a ton of potential draws that will call the turn but fold river if they miss or we may fail to get value if a draw completes on the river because we're afraid to bet. Get your 2 streets (if that's really all you think you can get. I generally disagree with this but w/e) before the river on boards like this.

What drawing hands does our opponent hold that raise pre, bet flop, and call a check raise?
 
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Well since we know nothing about villains preflop stats how about KQ (overs + gs is more than enough for some to call), all AhXh or KhXh hands, QJ, JT, 89, 78.

Also villain doesn't need to be on a draw. It's enough that the draw could come in and stop us from betting and getting our 2nd street of value OR the draw could come in and stop him from calling with a 2nd best hand. Checking the turn on board textures like this is not a good thing.
 
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Well since we know nothing about villains preflop stats how about KQ (overs + gs is more than enough for some to call), all AhXh or KhXh hands, QJ, JT, 89, 78.

Also villain doesn't need to be on a draw. It's enough that the draw could come in and stop us from betting and getting our 2nd street of value OR the draw could come in and stop him from calling with a 2nd best hand. Checking the turn on board textures like this is not a good thing.

I see what you are saying...

The draw coming in wouldn't stop me from betting but I hadn't considered it would stop V from calling w/ 2nd best.

I still don't see Villain raising pre, calling a craise, and then calling two more streets, without having us beat. And there's something about checking the river after check raising the flop, and betting the turn, that I hate.

I can't put it into words very well... I guess I feel like it gives Villain too many options (to decide how he wants to end the hand)... maybe I have control issues... lol.
 
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The reason I checked the river is because I didn't like the 10, but I didn't plan on folding, so I did it so I wouldn't be raised.
 
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I still don't see Villain raising pre, calling a craise, and then calling two more streets, without having us beat.

Careful not to give your opponents too much credit without knowing they deserve it. Just because YOU wouldn't be in the hand in villain's shoes without a hand that has you beat doesn't mean the villain won't be.
 
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Depending on whether villain c-bets lots we can donk bet or make a large check/raise. This way we get most value out of his draws (which he has a bunch on this board) and we may get some value out of his KJ type hands. We playing for stacks in this spot if necessary against anything but a super-nit.

The check-raise will set up the turn perfectly for a shove when there's still value against his draws, villain may even be committed to his pair or pair/gutshot hand at this point too.

As played with the small check/raise, I check/call the river. Some draws got there but many didn't so I'm not check/folding. I don't think betting is great cause getting raised sucks so bad when we have showdown value against his range and some of the time he'll bluff when checked to.
 
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