Originally Posted by WVHillbilly
Well since we know nothing about villains preflop stats how about KQ (overs + gs is more than enough for some to call), all AhXh or KhXh hands, QJ, JT, 89, 78.
Also villain doesn't need to be on a draw. It's enough that the draw could come in and stop us from betting and getting our 2nd street of value OR the draw could come in and stop him from calling with a 2nd best hand. Checking the turn on board textures like this is not a good thing.
I see what you are saying...
The draw coming in wouldn't stop me from betting but I hadn't considered it would stop V from calling w/ 2nd best.
I still don't see Villain raising pre, calling a craise, and then calling two more streets, without having us beat. And there's something about checking the river after check raising the flop, and betting the turn, that I hate.
I can't put it into words very well... I guess I feel like it gives Villain too many options (to decide how he wants to end the hand)... maybe I have control issues... lol.