€10 NLHE Full Ring: Set on flop folding to a flush on turn, too passive?

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poker stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($6.65)
Button ($9.90)
SB ($5.59)
BB ($8.54)
UTG ($22.45)
Cafeman31 (UTG+1) ($10.66)
MP1 ($10.28)
MP2 ($15.05)
MP3 ($3.30)

Preflop: Cafeman31 is UTG+1 with 9
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, 9
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1 fold, Cafeman31 calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO bets $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10, Cafeman31 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.65) Q
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, 6
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, 9
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(3 players)
BB checks, Cafeman31 bets $0.45, CO calls $0.45, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.55) A
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(2 players)
Cafeman31 checks, CO bets $0.90, Cafeman31 folds

Total pot: $1.55

Totally unsure if I am giving mu opponent too much credit for having the flush, should I have bet out on the turn?
 
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*sigh*

Why are you limping? Just raise pre. Bet more on the flop, pot it. Keep betting the turn, as played raise it imo to get value from his Axd or just Ax or just a diam.
 
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*sigh*

Why are you limping? Just raise pre. Bet more on the flop, pot it. Keep betting the turn, as played raise it imo to get value from his Axd or just Ax or just a diam.

CP,
What's your thinking on a pot-sized bet on the flop? I tend to do that when I've hit the flop and there are draws out there (so that the villain isn't getting the right price to call). But I've also been advised that we don't want to push draws out of the pot since they will more often miss the draw than make it.

Is this more a "know your villain" and position-dependent thing?
 
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People call draws. Draws are on board. Bet more to get value when you have a big hand.

It's that simple.
 
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So 99 is strong enough for UTG+1 to raise/re-raise preflop without question? And when I get to the flop I should have bet it heavy to get the most out of it assuming the guy follows me and doesn't hit his draw? Or am I betting heavy to get him to fold?
 
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CP,
What's your thinking on a pot-sized bet on the flop? I tend to do that when I've hit the flop and there are draws out there (so that the villain isn't getting the right price to call). But I've also been advised that we don't want to push draws out of the pot since they will more often miss the draw than make it.

Is this more a "know your villain" and position-dependent thing?

yeah it is, though at 10NL most will call a pot sized bet. The problem is you want 2 streets of values from draws, if so some regs will call flop and fold turn with a draw against pot sized bets. pot works in general at 10nl tho

Edit : Cafeman, no offence but I think you should play some 2nl and learn the very basics before playing 10nl...it's a lot tougher
 
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Cafeman, no offence but I think you should play some 2nl and learn the very basics before playing 10nl...it's a lot tougher
None taken. The reason I posted this hand was because I figured there was something obviously wrong with the way I played it, rather than something more marginal. Something I wasn't seeing.

I'm not losing at 10NL. Over 1k hands and 2 buy-ins up (so I'm not winning it either). Do you really think I should go down to 2NL and work out some weaknesses there, or stay here and see if I can improve at this level? I'm here to learn, and I don't mind taking a step back in order to go forward if necessary.
 
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None taken. The reason I posted this hand was because I figured there was something obviously wrong with the way I played it, rather than something more marginal. Something I wasn't seeing.

I'm not losing at 10NL. Over 1k hands and 2 buy-ins up (so I'm not winning it either). Do you really think I should go down to 2NL and work out some weaknesses there, or stay here and see if I can improve at this level? I'm here to learn, and I don't mind taking a step back in order to go forward if necessary.

That's a good attitude, ego will only hurt in poker. Think of it this way : Your mistakes are going to cost you far more in 10nl than in 2nl. The math says 5 times more, but in reality it's probably at least 10 times more in $ terms because 2nl players are much worse than 10nl ones.

1k hands is absolutely nothing as far as sample goes, you can start to draw conclusions about win-rate after 50k hands at least, no sooner. I do believe you are playing a losing game, just by seeing you limp, which you should never ever do, so I'm sure you have lots of stuff to improve on first.
 
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Appreciate the honesty and advice. OK, so I'm rolled at $220 at the moment, so I will take that to the $2 tables and see where I'm at in a few thousand hands time.

I've read (and re-read) ChuckTs's 10,000th post, and am reading Small Stakes No Limit Holdem by Ed Miller atm. Any advice on other books or whatever? Thanks.
 
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Appreciate the honesty and advice. OK, so I'm rolled at $220 at the moment, so I will take that to the $2 tables and see where I'm at in a few thousand hands time.

I've read (and re-read) ChuckTs's 10,000th post, and am reading Small Stakes No Limit Holdem by Ed Miller atm. Any advice on other books or whatever? Thanks.

You can try Easy Game by BalugaWhale (it's where Chuck's thread is from) but perhaps you're better reading posts in here and 2p2 about the very basics first

I think you may play at least 40-50k hands at a level before moving up if you get the results. That way you'll be more sure they're real results and not variance, either way. You can play 50k hands in a month if you get confortable 4-6 tabling
 
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