$10 NLHE Full Ring: Set but get reraised on Turn ??

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
SB: $3.67
BB Hero: $10.65
UTG: $0.89
UTG+1: $9.79
MP: $21.86 (sitting out)
MP+1: $5.59
MP+2: $37.91
CO: $9.16 VPIP 41% PFR 18% AGG 0.9 HANDS 39
BTN: $9.90

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB and dealt
4 folds, CO raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) (3 players)
Hero bets $0.48, CO calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.61) (3 players)
Hero bets $1.61, CO raises to $3.22, Hero Should i have checked turn here??Now we just jam or fold ????

Fold? Why. A lot of your threads are asking if we should fold the 'nuts'. DON'T, get it in! So what if he had 9T, he can also have 78, AJ, even 77. If you has a straight you have outs to boat up

Min bet sucks as gennerally that is strong. We're too far ahead of his range to fold though and even if he does have T9 we're not drawing dead. CO only has about $5 left behind so just shove.

jbbb said:

Fold? Why. A lot of your threads are asking if we should fold the 'nuts'. DON'T, get it in! So what if he had 9T, he can also have 78, AJ, even 77. If you has a straight you have outs to boat up

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Because most of the time you bet they call you bet they call, i have a prob when they "Reraise"

This guy is a complete drooler.

I just did a pokerstove on his range including T9 and AA and JJ, ie, that hands that have you crushed. I even left out all draws as this guy isnt all that agro and would probs never min raise a draw here.

Board: Ah 7d 8d Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.505% 66.51% 00.00% 1785 0.00 { 8c8h }
Hand 1: 33.495% 33.49% 00.00% 899 0.00 { AA, JJ, 77, AJs, A8s-A7s, J8s-J7s, T9s, 87s, AJo, A8o-A7o, J8o-J7o, T9o, 87o }


Looks like you're losing money if you fold here.


You should try out pokerstove and see how well your hands are vs certain ranges.

Don't lead the flop, check/raise. As played ship it in on the turn.

These HH with no reads where hero has a set and is getting shoved or raised on the turn are really tilting me.

baudib1 said:

These HH with no reads where hero has a set and is getting shoved or raised on the turn are really tilting me.

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I know how i played my hands, I am posting these to see how others would have played them to help my own game thanks ,Chris

BlackRain79 said:

Don't lead the flop, check/raise. As played ship it in on the turn.

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This. Don't fold sets.

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shove

Dont lead the flop because we are expecting the villain to c-bet right?

With him c-betting we can then raise or flat and bet on the turn.

As played shove the turn. If he has the str8 so be it. More than likely I think he has a pair with the str8 draw. Make him pay to see the river.

First I put him on AJ and sure his top 2 pair is good. Could have T9 but didn't raise flop with his open-ender and he would seem to play too aggressive not to raise. Then again calling the open-ender makes sense, can't get away from the set though, think I'll be a calling station unless A or J appears again.

Nope, He's AJ and scared of flush draw, RAISE! Awww crap don't even tell me he had pocket J's!

Stop thinking about single hands. RANGES.

What "Ranges"? AK, AA, and JJ are certainly in anyone's ranges. In CO with no action before AQ, AJ, AT all the way to T9 are playable. So how do you put them on a range?

You just did.

ARGH! nononononono! that doesn't help at all, I can see any two cards in his hand, so each hand has to be examined individually. Who's the villain, how does he bet pre and post, what does it mean when he does X vs past play experience. Ranges suck because they can be so wide, sure "good" players will follow a chart based on position but really bad and really good players will often play so-so starting hands and boards like above make it impossible to figure out.

I say he's (CO) got it, could be AA with 3xBB bet wanting to get some action with only 3 players behind (2 IP/ 2 OP), same can be said for JJ, QQ, KK or AK
So post flop he just calls, he made a set of A's and doesn't want to give away his strength, turn starts to look scary so he re-raises to drive off the flush and straight drawing hands or make him pay dearly to try and make them.

Or he had the T9 and made the straight, AJ is still nice top 2 pair to bet though, JJ gets scared by the A on flop but can't decide if Hero has A so just calls and like mana from heaven a J falls, and on and on. Or just maybe he's smart enough to know that T9 in the BB isn't worth calling a raise OP and the board looks scary so he bluffs, it's a great bluff look it's got a set all shook up.

You just said ranges suck then went on to write three paragraphs saying his range and why that's in his range lol.

I just don't get it, his range says that he could have 3 hands that can beat you (AA, JJ, T9) and several more come hands. His bet says "I have the best hand NOW", but could also be saying "I have T3 and the boards scary for you and I have 4 outs".

You just have to go through a list of hands, and ask yourself "is this guy capable of flatting preflop and flop then raising the turn with this hand?".

If the answer is yes, punch it into pokerstove. If not, then you ignore it. Simple as that. Something like T3s is likely to fold preflop (try punching in a %40 range into pokerstove to see what that consists of), and it's likely to fold the flop without a flush draw or backdoor draw. Just go street by street and eliminate possible hands.

Then you punch in your hand, hit the 'calculate' button, and voila, you have a range vs our single hand, and we know our equity against that range.

There's usually a non-zero chance of someone showing up with air in really weird spots but this is totally not a spot for someone to have random bluffs with less than 15% equity.

For starters, thinking that a preflop raiser who plays like 41/19 is thinking he can bluff you off a big hand is absurd. For one thing, the board's honestly not very scary, he's probably not thinking that deeply and if he is, the J on the turn is way better for us than him.

He's raising for value here like 98%+ of the time IMO and it's a matter of figuring our equity vs. the hands he flats flop/raises turn with.

CO doesn't seem like he's normally very aggressive, but I think you just got to get it in on the turn here.. plenty of hands will pay you off in his range.