$10 NLHE Full Ring: SB vs BB action

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 26/9/10

Hi guys just played an interesting hand recently and would like some feedback on the way I approached this.


Me(SB) $9.42 - VP:17 PFR:10 AF:1.7 W:36|25 STL:0|100 3B:0|100 CB:100| N:-14.28 hands:60

Villain (BB) $15.29 - VP:26 PFR:9 AF:10.0 W:30|67 STL:67|100 3B:0|100 CB:50| N:8.72 Hands:34


Pre Flop: Hero (BB) with 5:spade: 4:heart:

P4(UTG+1) folds, P5(MP) folds, P6(MP) folds, P7(LP) folds, P8(CO) calls 0.10, P9(BTN) folds, Hero(SB) calls 0.05, Villain(BB) checks


Flop: (3s,Qh,6d) (3 players)

Hero(SB) bets 0.15, Villain (BB) raises 0.30, P8(LP) folds, Hero(SB) calls 0.15


Turn: Q:spade: (2 players)

Hero(SB) checks, Villain(BB) bets 0.30, Hero(SB) calls 0.30


River: 7:diamond: (2 players)

Hero(SB) bets 1, Villain(BB) raises 3

Villain is loose aggressive and plays draws fairly aggressively

Fold pre-flop. Check-raise the flop. This flop is going to miss most people. Check raise the river to get max value against Qx and a bad opponent.

if you say he plays agressively draw flush, then you should raise in the turn, but you check having the hand made you should get max value and take advantage of a villain like the one you were playing to

my suggestion against players like that is to bet strong in the turn once you have your hand completed, if you wait he only will pay if he is up but if behind he will fold

^^ He has almost the nut low on the turn so I wouldn't really call it a made hand.

fold pre check flop

the c/c turn is really really bad on a paired board

donking the river is really pretty awful he likely isnt checking behind a lot of hands unless he was folding anyways


like his hand is really horrible at every point

the least horrible thing is the flat pre but if your going to play hands like this this way after flatting it makes folding pre even better. If you don't know how to play well or have reads, have good skill, dont play wider ranges more so OOP

After limping in, and raised on the flop, I let this hand go on the turn.

But If I call and hit on the river and lead out and get raised, I 3 bet and if he 4 bets I shove. Or is that kind of spewy? Maybe just flatting would be the best option

Only hands that beat us is Q6, Q3, and Q7, 77, 66, and 33 and his range is endless since he limped in from BB.

it is a spot you really shouldnt find yourself in

c/ring the flop is really fine, hell c/c if there is enough direct odds, but leading is awful raising pre would have been better

I agree that it is fold pre flop with 45o OOP As played - we have OESD. We are still OOP, I prefer check here and to control the pot. So I prefer check/call the flop, check/call the turn and I want to see a cheaply the river card. On the river I probably bet, but If I know that opponent is aggressive and he should bet the river I can set a trap and I can play check/raise. Donkbet on the river also is OK.

John A said:

Fold pre-flop. Check-raise the flop. This flop is going to miss most people. Check raise the river to get max value against Qx and a bad opponent.

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But how check raise is good on the flop? well I want your opinion donk bet vs check call vs check raise.

Because it's a limped pot, and people won't have enough on this flop to continue. You can easily push someone off a better hand and there aren't many draws that will make people suspicious to call you down with weak holdings. Poker 101.

John A said:

Because it's a limped pot, and people won't have enough on this flop to continue. You can easily push someone off a better hand and there aren't many draws that will make people suspicious to call you down with weak holdings. Poker 101.

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Yeah. But we fighting for nothing. If we get called on flop we may burn for that check raise a lot. I know we would look strong. But I better like bet first get a fold or build a pot against QJ Q10 Q9 or something and continue betting(he may fold on turn his Q as long as he thinks)?. I just like to do it as a mix with other hands like sets or two pair and some air here. Check raise is damn hard to call you. I like getting raised better, to build bigger pots. I just dont feel check raising ever(rarely). But thats my opinion. I can be totally wrong. I remember Doyle said in his book that check raising sucks.

HoldOnTheRail said:

Yeah. But we fighting for nothing. If we get called on flop we may burn for that check raise a lot. I know we would look strong. But I better like bet first get a fold or build a pot against QJ Q10 Q9 or something and continue betting(he may fold on turn his Q as long as he thinks)?. I just like to do it as a mix with other hands like sets or two pair and some air here. Check raise is damn hard to call you. I like getting raised better, to build bigger pots. I just dont feel check raising ever(rarely). But thats my opinion. I can be totally wrong. I remember Doyle said in his book that check raising sucks.

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It's a limped pot. It's 10nl. There's lots of second best hands that will fold out, and you realize you have the turn and river still to bluff if you miss and you have reasonable equity? Again, your opponent isn't going to have a very strong hand on this board to be able to stack off with. Additionally, hero's perceived range will be strong because there really aren't many semi-bluffing draws on this board.

But don't listen to me... Doyle is probably right.

u hit the nuts on the riverso go make money u have to bet it like u did 4bet him and hope for a call.

John A said:

Fold pre-flop. Check-raise the flop. This flop is going to miss most people. Check raise the river to get max value against Qx and a bad opponent.

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I only play this hand to steal when I hit a coordinated board. I figured that limped Blind vs Blind suggests very weak holdings so the best he could have in this spot is Qx type of hands. I don't see him having 44 or 55 as he would have raised those pre-flop given his aggro style and since I have a 5 4 that makes it even less likely.

Now if I x/r the flop then get 4 bet do you shove or call hoping to hit on the turn or 5 bet shove??