$10 NLHE Full Ring: Rush poker 3 Jacks river?

-Phil Ivey27

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I don't feel like going back into my hand history to find this hand, it would be very hard because I played many hands in this rush session so i'll just tell you how it played out. (I played this hand terribly by the way)

Pre-flop: Villain calls $.10 in the cutoff, everyone folds to the BB which is me holding JJ, the villain has a full stack. I raise it up to $.40 and he quickly re-raises me to $2.30, I think for a bit and just call.

Thought process: Obvious raise with JJ here, when he re-raised me I was very confused, the amount was huge, almost 6X my raise, a very odd play to make. I assumed he had AA, AK, or was a complete donkey trying to make a play because he thought I was trying to make a play. I thought about re-raising him all-in, I also thought about mucking, but I decided to hit the flop and re-evaluate after that.

Flop: Qd 4s Js
I check, he checks.

Thought process: Yes! I hit a set of jacks! Now my range for him is pretty much AA, KK, AK here so in any case he should be c-betting this flop, although AK would understandingly make a check. I don't dislike my check here, but it wouldn't have been a bad move to bet into him here. If he has AA or KK he obviously shoves, and if he has AK maybe he calls out of donkeyness. There is also a possibility he was just pulling a move here, although unlikely, and therefore he should have bet in that spot too.

Turn board: Qd 4s Js 3c
I check. He checks.

Thought process: I don't like my check here, tooooo much slowplaying. Although, it makes a little bit of sense. If he has AK I really want him to hit a K or an A on the river so I can bet big and take a lot of his chips therefore making the check make sense. But at the same time, if he has AK he is drawing to a 10, for which he has 4 outs, and 6 outs for an A or a K. I should have probably stopped slow playing here, if anything I wanted to give him a shot at that bluff.

River board: Qd 4s Js 3c 10h
I bet $2 and he re-raises to $5.50

Thought process: Ok well I HAVE to bet something! I just got $0 off of a set of Jacks! He could very well have hit his straight here but maybe he'll call with... something else! I don't exactly like my bet here and this is why. If he has AK he bets I call and I lose the same amount of money. But, if he wants to bluff, or maybe hit a set of 10's or maybe has been playing AA extremely donkish, I want to call his bet and take the pot down. When I bet, I am opening myself up to getting a fold or getting a raise, neither which I want! Now on the real decision, because that is what this hand is about.. I go into deep thinking mode and chat a little as you can see in the screenshot. I hate throwing this away, it really makes me sick, but I had to do it. I mucked and he scooped the pot.

Thoughts on the hand?
 

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c9h13no3

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I didn't read that giant block of text, but I saw that you folded a set. You obviously played this wrong. Get the nickels in faster.


EDIT - Also, there's really no reason to ever just call preflop. You can't put 1/4th of your stack in and expect to fold any flops. Jam or get out of the way.
 
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I didn't read that giant block of text, but I saw that you folded a set. You obviously played this wrong. Get the nickels in faster.


EDIT - Also, there's really no reason to ever just call preflop. You can't put 1/4th of your stack in and expect to fold any flops. Jam or get out of the way.

Yes, I agree but my main question was kind of on the river fold, as I understand I did play this bad.

I really don't think I should shove here, if anything I could have folded pre-flop. Although I don't mind my call because I want to see a clean flop, no A K or Q, and then analyze the hand mainly on his flop bet and my feel for the hand.
 
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Yes, I agree but my main question was kind of on the river fold, as I understand I did play this bad.
No, you don't get it. Your river decision happened on the flop/turn. On the turn, you have $7.50 behind a $5 pot. If you just shove it that would be fine. Or if you bet ANYTHING decent, your opponent (if he has a draw) cannot draw profitably. Thus, you wouldn't be crying on the river. Bet the turn, there is no river decision. Discussing what to do on the river is totally irrelevant because it should never happen.

Checking the flop is standard.

Although I don't mind my call because I want to see a clean flop, no A K or Q, and then analyze the hand mainly on his flop bet and my feel for the hand.
This is a great way to set money on fire.

A) Clean flops don't happen often.
B) You end up allowing AK to get away cheap on clean flops and QQ+ still stacks your ass.
 
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check flop, check turn, wtf? Sorry bud, you deserved to be turned over, that flop was draw heavy.
 
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c9- your right, I did play this poorly and what you are saying is right.

Kerouacs- yes I should've bet the turn, but what draws am I worried about?
 
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flush draws, and straight draws, he raised it up preflop, so we can assume he either has high pair, or AK etc, which looks nice with this flop.
 
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