$10 NLHE Full Ring: River overbet multi-handed should we call here?

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poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $10 (100 bb) 28/25/38 Loose player
Hero (BB): $50.56 (505.6 bb) (Im having a good session and shown down good hands)
UTG+1: $8.83 (88.3 bb) FISH
UTG+2: $7.73 (77.3 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb)
MP2: $3.59 (35.9 bb)
MP3: $10.12 (101.2 bb)
CO: $13 (130 bb) Villain,,,probably my toughest opponent at the level 568 hands always shows as an eagle in HM2
BTN: $11.28 (112.8 bb) Tight player slightly passive 14/7/28 586 hands

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ad Ks
UTG+1 calls $0.10, 4 folds, CO raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40
I consider raising of course but the eagle rarely gets out of line he raises the limper and then another tight player calls as well, I don't want to play oop to the good player, he usually calls three bets in position, so I just call.

Flop: ($2.50) 6h 4s 3c (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.50) 3d (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($2.50) Ac (5 players)
SB bets $2.39, not overly concerned about the loose player here Hero calls $2.39, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $12.50 and is all-in. Whoops didn't see that coming should we call here?
 

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i think it's either AA/AK, i don't think he'd be raising that limp pre with any set combos on that board, it's a tough one i'm not sure what i'd do, it would be 50/50 but i think he can definitely overshove AK here.

Did you call? Post the results i wanna see :D
 
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I hate not 3-betting here. Kit because he's good doesn't mean you should start playing like shit. He still has a range, AK still crushes it. Not to mention the dead money.
 
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Playing OOP matter less the more money is in the pot (SPR). So 3betting with AK and getting called by a guy with a huge 3bet calling range is great.

It also increases the chances that you play heads up (better for the hand). However, if you get more callers no big deal really.

I think its worse to play OOP multi-way in a non 3bet pot than it is in a 3bet pot, especially with a strong hand.

I have a hard time putting this guy on a better A than you. I mean you have under-repped your hand as much as you can. And his range (in the CO) is almost every A. So he could have 2 pair or a boat, but its more likely he just has an A that he thinks is beating you. I mean, he didn't cbet the flop or the turn, and you just flat called with TPTK on a board that got no action until just now.
 
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Nice to know my play is shit,,,,C9h thanks for that, can't we keep it a little more polite, I don't post to get abused and you didn't answer if you would call or not and why which is what i'm seeking.

Thanks Uber for your helpful comments.

I agree 3 betting pre is optimal here so how much should we raise? The pot is already $1.60 (16bb) by the time it gets to me.
Personally with AK I would still be looking for folds pre here rather than getting callers so im thinking at least 20bb. Its going to be a big pot pretty quickly if I get callers and am pretty much bound to fire on the flop.
Its a difficult runout to justify a turn barrel if the flop is called.
These are the sort of runouts that I end up firing multi barrels and getting called down. If they have JJ QQ here are they ever laying it down pre river, probably not at these stakes.,
Spent my full time allowance considering whether to call here. I put him on AA/AK/AQ and maybe 66 at a push. I think AK is most likely. I've not seen him bluff in these circumstances before and he usually has the nuts when he shoves (he has stacked me several times previously with fishy looking shoves that were the nuts.)
In the end I folded its a full 100bb+ shove and i've no real evidence that i'm in front.
 
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Looking solely at the hand as played: by the river there's pretty much zero chance that villain has AA: if he had that he would've fired either the flop or the turn. And even if he didn't do that, he'd be an idiot to shove that river when a smaller raise is more likely to get calls.

Same logic makes me think it's unlikely to be some other kind of boat either, unless you think he's specifically trying to level you or something... which is possible, but seems unlikely at $10NL and given the action.

I think this Ax the majority of the time - with the preflop action, it could be almost any ace, doesn't even need to be AK or AQ. Your line is completely passive for the hand so he's probably not giving you credit for much of anything, maybe a medium ace.

So I think there's a good case to be made for calling this.
 
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I'd personally fold against a good player, I think the loose player who shoved for 2.39 must have had Ax, which you easily crush... But, a good player would know that you crush the Loose player's range, and now he expects you to pay him off.
He can have a hand like 44, imo


What did you do eventually?
 
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