$10 NLHE Full Ring: qq but the king hits

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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $12.52
UTG+1: $10.36
MP: $10.00
MP+1: $12.99
Hero (LP): $10.00
CO: $10.00
BTN: $10.00
SB: $9.47
BB: $14.31

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, SB raises to $1.20, fold, Hero raises to $4.00, SB calls $2.80

Flop: ($8.10, 2 players) 4♣ K♣ 4♥
SB checks, Hero ???


No reads, only 10 hands
should i have just shoved pre? and then the flop hits and i...?
 
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I check the flop but I don't fold if he shoves the turn (unless it's an Ace). If you bet the flop he always (almost always) folds worse but he may decide that the King has scared you enough to bluff shove the turn if you check behind. The chances of him out drawing you if he is behind are not high enough to make giving him a free card unprofitable imo.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
I check the flop but I don't fold if he shoves the turn (unless it's an Ace). If you bet the flop he always (almost always) folds worse but he may decide that the King has scared you enough to bluff shove the turn if you check behind. The chances of him out drawing you if he is behind are not high enough to make giving him a free card unprofitable imo.
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Sounds good for now, but what do you do if villain bets small on the turn? just call and let him do it again on the river, while hopefully just checking behind? or jam?
 
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How small can he really bet? I mean he has $5.50 left in his stack and the pot is $8.50?
 
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Yeah how small is the bet
 
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i mean i agree it would be stupid, but from playing with him later he was definitely a fish. I think if he bets something like 2 or 3 dollars hes actually more likely to have the king. Im not saying its likely i was just curious
 
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I'm betting this flop. Given the size of the pot relative to our chip stacks, I think a cheap showdown is impossible. Moreover, purely from a hand combination perspective, we have the best hand the vast majority of the time. If he raises, life sucks and we are probably committed to the call by that point.

There are too many scary cards that can come on the turn, so I'd rather get it in on the flop if that's the way it's going to go down anyway.
 
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Sysvr4 said:
I'm betting this flop. Given the size of the pot relative to our chip stacks, I think a cheap showdown is impossible. Moreover, purely from a hand combination perspective, we have the best hand the vast majority of the time. If he raises, life sucks and we are probably committed to the call by that point.

There are too many scary cards that can come on the turn, so I'd rather get it in on the flop if that's the way it's going to go down anyway.
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Please list the actual scare cards that can hit the turn?
 
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???? Any Ace I understand, but he generally has 2 - 3 outs with his entire range that's not already ahead. Sometimes he'll pick up backdoor equity if a club hits the turn. I just think that if we shove the flop we only get called by AK/AA.
 
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WVHillbilly said:
???? Any Ace I understand, but he generally has 2 - 3 outs with his entire range that's not already ahead. Sometimes he'll pick up backdoor equity if a club hits the turn. I just think that if we shove the flop we only get called by AK/AA.
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I get the logic, but it's impossible to say with no read whatsoever on our villain. I think the general, run-o-the-mill 10NL player calls with less than AK/AA, but admittedly it's conjecture.
 
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