$10 NLHE Full Ring: QJs makes top pair against loose(?) villain (Part I)

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$10 NL HE Full Ring: QJs makes top pair against loose(?) villain (Part I)

Hello all,

First time poster in the HA sections. Please bear with my basic questions -- sensible input would be appreciated.

I would like to review a hand that I have played just now. I would like to present it in stages, if that is acceptable, as there were several decisions to make; I am brand spanking new to cash (save your petty requests for my screen-name, etc.), and I want to know what I'm doing wrong.

One could argue that the first thing I am doing wrong is playing without PT3 or HEM; I don't think I am playing enough volume to warrant this (yet). Comments/suggestions here would also be appreciated.

Thanks again, and without further ado:

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

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MP ($11.45)
Hero (CO) ($11.70)
Button ($18.75)
SB ($10)
BB ($10)
UTG ($8.25)

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Button raises to $0.80, 2 folds

Preflop question(s):

1. Raising with QJs with a tight-table image is reasonable? I was folding the last twelve hands or so (this is roughly twenty-hands in the session).

2. Do I call the Button? He's been splashing around in many pots (perhaps I could say something more definitive with a software tracker...hmm).


 
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1. Raising with QJs with a tight-table image is reasonable? I was folding the last twelve hands or so (this is roughly twenty-hands in the session).


You're in the CO and it has been folded to you. QJs should be fairly high up in your range.
It would be really bad if you folded or limped.


2. Do I call the Button? He's been splashing around in many pots (perhaps I could say something more definitive with a software tracker...hmm).


No. Fold.
QJs is great to open raise (in position) because you've got two high cards that are suited and connected which means that post-flop you're going to get a lot of value when you hit top pair, also when you miss you're frequently going to have overcards or a straight draw or a flush draw or backdoor draws, you're going to have outs which gives you a lot of equity and excuses to semi-bluff (getting more equity).
Of course, it will also occasionally actually make the effective nuts, but that's so rare it's not really worth thinking about.

When the BTN raises, what reasonable range could you be up against? - None that you're ahead of.
More importantly, when you raised you were in position (because BTN is way more likely to fold than anything else) and you had a chance of stealing the blinds. Now both of those are gone, and you're faced with paying more to play a hand OOP vs a stronger range.
Insta-fold.
 
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If only you had PT3 or HEM!!

10NL this is by default a fold.

QJs is a great hand but we dont want to play 3-bet pots OOP or against people with very tight 3bet stats.

If villian was positionally aware and 3-betting 8-10% with the majority of 3-bets being made from the BTN then we could 4bet this hand. If he looks like a good player and you are opening 25% ish from the CO then its very likely this 3-bet is with a hand he dosent want to play post flop, so 4bet it.

In order to do that you have to have some stats docstats :)

Now if you were on the button and he was in the blinds and he had the same wide 3bet stat from the blinds, here you could call and play postflop in position.

At 10NL its unlikely that villain is 3betting enough from the BTN to do this, but thats what you need to consider when deciding whether or not to 4bet or fold.

Dont make marginal 4bets against bad players because they will look at their pretty cards and and make a hero call rather than shoving. This is a nightmare when they have position on you post flop.
 
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sensible input would be appreciated.

Preflop question(s):

1. Raising with QJs with a tight-table image is reasonable? I was folding the last twelve hands or so (this is roughly twenty-hands in the session).

2. Do I call the Button? He's been splashing around in many pots (perhaps I could say something more definitive with a software tracker...hmm).

Use a better hand converter ;)

http://www.handconverter.com/

1 - As others have said totally reasonable open and I'm actually opening a fair bit wider in the CO at 6-max

2 - Again, like the others have said, easy fold to the 3 bet
 
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Thanks for the input!

Great responses. Very interesting feedback.

Part 2 will be coming shortly!
 
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