$10 NLHE Full Ring: Looking up a spewy player with TPGK

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Hero is in the Hijack with $11.17 and dealt KhQc.
Villain in CO has 10.47 and has been caught playing flush draws very aggresively and trying to bluff hero.

1 limp from UTG+1, folds to hero, hero raises to 0.40, CO calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop is 8h Ks 2h
pot is 1.80 with 4 players

checks to hero, hero bets 1.10. CO raises to 2.20, BB and UTG+1 fold. Hero raises to 4.00. CO calls.

Turn is 3d
pot is 9.80 with 2 players

hero bets 6.77 and is all in. CO calls.

CO shows Ah9h

I figure villain is playing this way often enough with a weaker king as he was playing a wide range and for some reason kept thinking i was bluffing... i caught him trying to rebluff me with air earlier when i actually had a very strong hand.. with the way hes been playing flush draws, I wanted to make sure that if he was chasing a flush, that i would make him pay for it.
did i spew, or is this a good spot to look him up?

sorry my hand history isnt terribly pretty, i was playing on my phone so this hand didnt get logged to PT4 via ignition card catcher

edit: also good to note both limpers seemed like flop-junkies to me (paying to see a flop with almost atc and giving up if they miss) i wasnt terribly worried about them having any kind of hand, although its possible, they are both folding most of the time.
 
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Based on your notes of villain...I don't see a reason to not look him up.
 
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Based on your read of said villain you played it well. Sometimes though your opponents wake up with a better hand or hit some type of weird two pair.

Only question is, if he is bluffy, maybe after his check min raise on the flop, why not let him bet on the turn... I know you don't want to give him a free card (but your call on the flop of his min raise) was just that... let him continue his bluff.
I sometimes get in these spots, but sometimes it seems like we should turn our top pair into bluff catchers --------- Unless he is a total fish and playing like 75/20 of his hands....
 
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Based on your read of said villain you played it well. Sometimes though your opponents wake up with a better hand or hit some type of weird two pair.

Only question is, if he is bluffy, maybe after his check min raise on the flop, why not let him bet on the turn... I know you don't want to give him a free card (but your call on the flop of his min raise) was just that... let him continue his bluff.
I sometimes get in these spots, but sometimes it seems like we should turn our top pair into bluff catchers --------- Unless he is a total fish and playing like 75/20 of his hands....

i wish i had stats on him but of course i dont being on my phone. it definitely wasnt 75/20, it might have more around 40/15..

yeah, i always seem to be asking myself, give him a free card and keep catching or make him pay for the next card to keep him chasing... i think the way he played his draws made me lean a little heavier towards putting him on a draw and made me want to not give him the free card.
also with him thinking im bluffing so much, betting over top of him looks like a bluff so hes more likely to call wider. i think if it were another player i probably would have prefered to bluff catch. I would definitely say these bets are for value and not to bluff because he was pretty unlikely to fold.
 
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hes looking you up... not the other way.

nice hand he overvalued his draw
 
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hes looking you up... not the other way.

nice hand he overvalued his draw

then what would you call what im doing? standing my ground? lol

thanks
 
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More telling him who's your daddy lol
 
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I think you have a strong feel what opponent has you should go for it, like you did.

Without strong feel though you are playing stacks in multiway pot against 3 other players with TPGK which in long run can’t be good.
 
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Btw you should have now a note saying: on the flop raises 2x with draw

The next hand is so much easier to play after that =) Why the note is important is because the raise size is not standard.
 
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Btw you should have now a note saying: on the flop raises 2x with draw

The next hand is so much easier to play after that =) Why the note is important is because the raise size is not standard.

thanks, thats a good tip :)
 
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If you think he's a whale, and spewy, then it's ok. But otherwise if someone is raising here on the flop small MW, that's generally really strong. Most people who aren't whales will just call here with a big draw because it encourages other players to call and gives them good odds. Only a really bad player would raise in this spot. So it's just read dependent.
 
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If you think he's a whale, and spewy, then it's ok. But otherwise if someone is raising here on the flop small MW, that's generally really strong. Most people who aren't whales will just call here with a big draw because it encourages other players to call and gives them good odds. Only a really bad player would raise in this spot. So it's just read dependent.
thanks for your in put. i think if it was a good player i would expct AK a lot of time here and sometimes AA or KK, but id expect a 3 bet pre with AA or KK. his line is pretty polarized. theres not a lot of hands a good player plays this way so i think hes either got it or hes got nothing. a good player at these stakes has it and i fold to flop bet, and a whale is full of crap.
 
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