$10 NLHE Full Ring: Last to act with 2 (apparently) very different villans

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This hand confuses me a lot! I do not i know whether I play'ed right pre-flop, post-flop etc., . So I would like criticism in every angle.

This was a deep stack table but I was not deep (60BB). The villains (UTG, MP+1) had very different stats.

What should i have done pre-flop?
Assuming it went down the way it went , what do i do in the flop when everyone checks to me?



PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 5)
MP+1: 387.4 BB (VPIP: 39.02, PFR: 4.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 43)
Hero (CO): 60.4 BB
BTN: 293.5 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 63)
SB: 362.9 BB (VPIP: 20.81, PFR: 13.42, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 149)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 33)
UTG: 277.6 BB (VPIP: 14.88, PFR: 7.91, 3Bet Preflop: 2.47, Hands: 218)
UTG+1: 248.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG+2: 238.6 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 9 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3.3 BB) Hero has T:heart: T:diamond:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 7 BB, MP+1 calls 7 BB

Flop: (33.3 BB, 3 players) A:heart: 5:spade: Q:diamond:
UTG checks, MP+1 checks, Hero ????
 
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Urgh this has got to be the easiest call preflop rather than a 3bet...

Why? You got a nit raising utg, he is NOT going to fold any of his raising range from there and his range pretty much has your TT trashed.

Call to setmine is okay IMO, though maybe with your stack size it is probably a marginal play.

On the flop, you may bet out if no overs come out. But in this sitch, I am easily checking back the flop and hope for a T to turn at best.

Your TT is absolutely destroyed given the utg raise and this board.
 
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Yes, call pre-flop. 3-betting is just turning your hand into a bluff. His UTG opening range is probably ~3% which is JJ+/AK. As far as the flop... check and pray you can get to showdown w/o putting anymore money in (although unlikely).
 
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Urgh this has got to be the easiest call preflop rather than a 3bet...

Why? You got a nit raising utg, he is NOT going to fold any of his raising range from there and his range pretty much has your TT trashed.


I can see that. I guess i have to work my 3-betting. I usually *want* to raise and get in there with the UTG only, if he has a smaller PP or two broadways. In retrospect i guess he limps a lot of the smaller pocket pairs, so the only benefit of raising is that I am able to recognise a a huge pocket pair earlier in the hand. If I know he has two broadways (KQs+) should I just call also?
 
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I can see that. I guess i have to work my 3-betting. I usually *want* to raise and get in there with the UTG only,
Why would you want to do this? His range is pretty damn strong, call to keep worse hands in.

In retrospect i guess he limps a lot of the smaller pocket pairs,
why do you think that?

If I know he has two broadways (KQs+) should I just call also?
You would never know this unless he showed you his cards. And if that's the case, ask him if he'd call a 3bet.
 
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Just call to keep worse hands still in, otherwise normally his reraise calling range is very strong.
 
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Just call to keep worse hands still in, otherwise normally his reraise calling range is very strong.

FYI, his opponent is < 8% total pre, so he's likely at most opening 3% UTG. So OP is a 2:1 dog pre-flop in this hand and is basically set mining or hoping no A or K hits the flop.
 
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3 betting pre is awful. Villain is a nit, adjust accordingly.
 
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fabiim said:
I can see that. I guess i have to work my 3-betting. I usually *want* to raise and get in there with the UTG only,
Why would you want to do this? His range is pretty damn strong, call to keep worse hands in.

Ok. I'll try to do that in the future.
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fabiim said:
In retrospect i guess he limps a lot of the smaller pocket pairs,
why do you think that?
Assuming traditional play and reviewing its stats ( 13/9 vpip/pr in early position). But i guess i see your point: i do not have a clue :/
 
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FYI, his opponent is < 8% total pre, so he's likely at most opening 3% UTG. So OP is a 2:1 dog pre-flop in this hand and is basically set mining or hoping no A or K hits the flop.

thanks this is a great straight forward answer. And i'll play it like that. But reviewing the UTG stats i see a 13/7 in early position. Off course this should be the result of a small hand sample. But in case it was true would that change your comment?
 
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Ok. I'll try to do that in the future.

Assuming traditional play and reviewing its stats ( 13/9 vpip/pr in early position). But i guess i see your point: i do not have a clue :/

do you see the gap between the 13 and 9? This means he's not really limping pre(the small gap tells us this). the stats indicate that he probably knows what he's doing so you'll never see him open limp, like ever, especially UTG
 
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