$10 NLHE Full Ring: KK pre Deep Stacked OOP

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem (8 players)
SB: $10
BB: $8.66
UTG: $8.38
UTG+1: $10.26
MP: $12.85
MP+1 Hero: $36.39
CO: $18.43 VPIP 16 PFR 11% AGG 3.9 3BETS 3.1% AND 1% CO ,FLOP CBETS 81% HANDS 10,000
BTN: $10

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO raises to $1.05, 3 folds, Hero ,A little nervous with our Stack sizes here. Should we be 4 betting like $4.50 to see what he does??

im probably 4betting to 2.50-3

Rat hole

Yuck

Pretty yuck, how does he play AK, if he doesnt 3bet AK then its pretty sick indeed.

If he only 3bets QQ+ AK and maybe the random bluff which seems unlikely then wouldn't 4betting be bad? Why dont we just flat to keep his range wider? It depends on the guy but if he's the type that is gonna 3bet only massive hands and the odd bluff and then fold his bluffs to 4bets and only stack with KK or AA then i dont like 4betting and i'd rather just flat and keep his range wider, which is still pretty dodgy as playing OOP with KK is gonna lose us lots of money when he has AA anyways so i actually dunno, ****.

I guess it depends how he plays AK.

How often he 3bets from the blinds.

If its a 3% 3bet but like 5% from the blinds and 1% from later positions then i really dont like 4betting KK

He is all in 99% (1% miss-click), so I don't see the point of 4B. All in or fold.
I would've said "fcuk it" and clicked All in

VIVInv said:

He is all in 99% (1% miss-click),

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wat?

I curse the powers that be and angrily click raise.

jbbb said:

wat?

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given that he 3Bets 3% of time based on 10k hands. Its clear that after yours 4B he is all in.

3% is more than he would stack with im sure so it wouldn't be obvious that he's all in after you 4-bet, If it is 1% though in late positions like i think it might be then he definitely is. I just cant see us being good getting it in here if he isn't capable of 3betting AK and stacking with it which i dont think he is given he only 3bets like 1%.

I dont like folding because he isn't uber nitty, but 4betting such a small range i can only see him showing up with KK or more often AA here which sucks for us.

I guess getting it in might just be fine because there will be times he runs KK in to us so it wont be massively -EV, but i still think i flat sometimes just to keep in potential worse hands like QQ incase he would ever 3bet it :/ Then again after 10k hands you should maybe have an idea what he 3bets and stacks with atleast which would make the guessing game easier

Such situation always remind me Farha battle vs Greenstein. He couldn't fold it as everybody else.

Barry G - what a gent

If you are nervous with stack sizes then just call. Making an enormous 4bet just to "see what does" sounds like a bad idea to me.

just call dont 4 bet
the flop i would check it to him see what he does give it some thought and if no ace has hit maybe check raise if he bets
but if he dont bet hope no ace hits the turn then bet myself