PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 7 players
(UTG): $10.18 (102 bb) Vpip : 13 PFR : 10 AF : 2
(MP): $11.35 (114 bb)
(MP+1): $10.82 (108 bb)
CO): $8.71 (87 bb)
(BU): $10.71 (107 bb)
Hero (SB): $10.00 (100 bb)\
(BB): $12.20 (122 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J♥ J♠
(UTG) raises to $0.30, 4 players fold, Hero (SB) calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.70) T♣ J♣ 3♠ (2 players)
Hero (SB) checks, (UTG) bets $0.45, Hero (SB) raises to $1.30, (UTG) calls $0.85
Turn: ($3.30) K♠ (2 players)
Hero (SB) bets $1.80, (UTG) calls $1.80
River: ($6.90) T♠ (2 players)
Hero (SB) value bet?
I'm not sure should I 3Bet preflop his vpip EP is only 8 WTSD 19
Hi there siwanat99, thank you very much for posting your hand.
Preflop:
Jesus, it is very hard indeed to have pocket J's versus a NIT from UTG out of position.
Pocket Jacks are too good to fold here but it is not so good to 3-bet out of position versus a NIT from the UTG, I think that overall your calling frequency should be higher than 3-bet in a situation like this. (Although it sucks)
We want to pick up better spots where we can utilize our aggression on our side. So we call here and keep the pot small for we are going to missed the flop almost 60% of times and if we start to 3-bet in a reasonable frequency from the SB vs NIT UTG we are going to suffer a lot of 4-bets for value and put ourselves into very tricky spots: where we either fold our strong value hand or we jam and pray for the gods.
The Flop:
Here I guess that both donking or check-raising are fine lines. JJ is way too strong and requires a bit of protection here versus the flush draws of clubs, KQ, AK, AQ, etc, those hands in great volume on UTG's opening range.
Calling here is not so good because many turns are going to end action for both players: if it comes another club on the turn, it might scary the hell the UTG and he might give up on investing when it has QQ, KK, AA, even TT. The same goes for Hero/SB, a club turn or another overcard such as Qx, Kx or Ax are not good at all for SB's range, so it is better to extract the maximum value now and becomes more easy to put UTG/Villain all-in on many turns and rivers, given that SPR would be lower and it would be hard for UTG to fold some QQ, KK, AA and TT, if it has it.
Your check-raise is very good sized and UTG calls! When this Nitty guy calls you here, it knows that you either are check-raising two pair with JT or TT or JJ or 33. The bluffs that coud be raising here are the flush draws of clubs.
I believe UTG can call you here with QQ, KK, AA, TT could be shoving, 33 UTG will not have in a high frequency here, KQs, AQs, AKs are hands that can continue paying this check-raise so the Value Range and the
bluffing range of UTG in a situation like this should be very, very strong.
The Turn:
This is not the best card in the universe for SB's range however it is not the worse. It completes a Set for KK (UTG could've called check-raise flop with KK as mentioned before) and AQ goes for a straight and the spades opens another flush draw, lol.
Given the connectivity of the turn, I would not go for another bet here, under the risk of turning my Set into a
bluff, or only get called by better hands: UTG still has TT, KK and AQ on its range, and have combo draws for clubs or spades, who knows?
There are several turns that we could go for a bet for value but this Ks completes too much Villain's range. People will say "there are only a couple of combos of AQ and KK so bet, bet, bet, this is the micros, etc". We could be value betting any 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x, 6x, 7x, even 9x here, without a clubs of course, but even Tx is not so good for us given that UTG still holds some TT on its range.
I rather bet on this turn with my bluffs such as SD+FD or clubs or spades, is much better with a potential bluff than with a strong value hand such as a Set of Jacks.
And when I bet here on the turn, I love polarizing my range a lot, letting the story very clear for the opponent: either I am bluffing or I am with "the nuts". But my bluffs are not simple air bluffs, are bluffs with a lot of
equity potential for many rivers.
Anyways, when I bet this turn I like to polarize my range and I would go for 70% pot or even 120% pot depending on Villain: by betting so little you are simply giving too many
odds for whatever UTG has on its range to continue paying and see a cheap river.
When you bet here, you are almost commiting yourself to all the rivers, no matter if they are good or bad for you, it becomes almost impossible to fold.
UTG could be calling you here on the turn with TT, KK, AQ and maybe the flush draws of spades and the flush draws of clubs. Even a bigger maybe some SD+FD with Qx or Ax, but given how passive this player is I wouldn't expect many of these.
The River completes a Full-House?
Thank God poker is still alive and players have good sense and reason to wonder if they should be value betting their Full Houses on a spot like this: many players are not even thinking one second here: they are going all in on the River, in spite that UTG had called check-raise flop and c-bet turn! They think:
"Oh, I have A Full House, now they are going to see what I can do ALL-IN on their faces!".
It doesn't matter if we have a Full House if we are never going to get paid by straights or flushes, or even worse, right?
Great question friend, this is how we use to think poker, not simply betting because we have strong hands on our range and not wondering which hands could be calling us flop/turn/
When it comes another Ts on the River we know that UTG called flop/turn with TT and can have a Quads here, no problem. We also know that UTG can have KK on its range with a better Full House.
We know that UTG has Straights and Flushes here too, what we don't know if UTG is going all in here, or calling all in here with straights and flushes, this is why Hero, siwanat99, asked for us if she/he should be value-betting this river. Great question, congratulations!
If we bet this River it would be a very easy fold for AK, AA, QQ, and depending on the sizing easy calls for straights and flushes. However, it sucks when we value bet this river and Villains shoves all-in upon our heads: we are virtually forced to call here.
I don't know man, I would go for checking turn, so the pot doesn't grow too much and I would go for checking river as well expecting Villain to bluff so AA, QQ, AK, KJ? straights and flushes. If UTG doesn't bluff what can we do?
If for some reason this Villain goes all in river when I do not c-bet turn easy fold for my Full House: SB's line is way too strong when you check-raise flop and c-bet 1/2 pot turn, so we picture a even stronger range for UTG too.
We must also consider that there are some nitties that would never fold AA, QQ, AK or any straight or flush here. If this is the kindda of passive nitty you are playing with jam this river and collect the money 80% of times or more.
If this Nitty is a tricky one, I don't see any reason to put ourselves on hard spots.
Regards;
Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa