$10 NLHE Full Ring: How are these hands as played?

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Villain is unknown

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($19.28)
CO ($10.92)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10.45)
UTG ($9.79)
UTG+1 ($10.15)
MP1 ($4.19)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J
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, J
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3 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 5
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, Q
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, 7
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(2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.95) 7
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(2 players)
MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($1.15) 5
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(2 players)
MP2 bets $0.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.15 | Rake: $0.05


Villain here is 63/13 only over 20 hands How would you play this against a good reg 15/13 and a 22/11?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($8.59)
UTG ($18.31)
MP1 ($9.44)
Hero (MP2) ($10.79)
CO ($5.96)
Button ($10.46)
SB ($4.91)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A
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, K
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UTG bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 7
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, 8
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, A
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(3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.76, 1 fold, UTG raises to $3.40, Hero calls $1.64

Turn: ($7.75) A
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(2 players)
UTG bets $5.10, Hero raises to $7.09 (All-In), UTG calls $1.99

River: ($21.93) 9
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(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.93 | Rake: $1.07
 
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Hand 1:
3-bet more pre, bet flop. as played call river

hand 2:
3-bet pre, as played, postflop probably fine
 
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Okay I hope there is some mistake tell me I didnt have a flush lol. I could have swore it was a diamond on the river. Gonna check my hand histories. For sake of argument treat the river as a diamond...
 
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Sorry getting confused I did know it was a heart but double paired board made it pretty worthless. What am I beating first hand?
 
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Okay I thought the queen would give him a full house I didn't realise at the time it wasn't paired. I think my brain fell asleep ...
 
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With hand 1 bet the flop for value

Call a small river bet

Hand 2 shove over his flop raise. What the reason to call here?
 
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In hand one I was going with the WA/WB concept. I was going to bet the turn but since he min bet, I felt he was going to call a raise with a queen who feared the flush or had a flush and was trying to provoke a raise.

In the second hand my first thought was shove but tried to learn after the feedback on this hand - https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/10-nlhe-full-ring-qq-great-199648/.

I don't normally 3bet AK until I get a few reads on people whether I will just take down blinds or will get called with worse. I don't like 3betting ak, getting called and missing because I seem to be leaking money that way. Until I get a feel of what they will call with and if they will fold to a cbet etc I normally call.
 
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Oh and the reason that I took from Chuckts for not 3betting here is that I don't think he calls with worse. If I call he might have more confidence in like Aj, Aq. If I 3bet I think I fold out these kind of hands.
 
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In hand one I was going with the WA/WB concept. I was going to bet the turn but since he min bet, I felt he was going to call a raise with a queen who feared the flush or had a flush and was trying to provoke a raise.

In the second hand my first thought was shove but tried to learn after the feedback on this hand - https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/10-nlhe-full-ring-qq-great-199648/.

I don't normally 3bet AK until I get a few reads on people whether I will just take down blinds or will get called with worse. I don't like 3betting ak, getting called and missing because I seem to be leaking money that way. Until I get a feel of what they will call with and if they will fold to a cbet etc I normally call.

You arent WA/AB in hand 1, he will call you with all kinds of nonsense.

In hand 2 you are not deep, just shove, he wants to get the money in and you arent folding to any turn bet.
 
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This is my first shot at a legitimate HA so bear with me and correct my mistakes if my comments are out of line.


Hand One:


Preflop...

With pocket jacks, I want to induce a call from the limper because I have the fourth best starting hand in HoldEm. Therefore, I am raising to 0.35 or maybe even to 0.32 instead of 0.40. Your strong 0.40 raise could even induce a four-bet from the BB if he thinks that you are trying to take limper's dead money and then you are in an awkward situation. It also makes it obvious that you have a hand TT+, AQs+, or AKo assuming that you have been playing tight-aggresive as in ChuckTs strategy. 3-betting light, on the other hand, disguises your hand strength and should keep the BB out as it looks like less of a steal and more like a value bet.

Flop...

I love this flop. Although it is wet (two hearts and some lower straight draws), it misses a lot limping ranges (A2-A9, 22-66, K9-KQ, Q9-QJ, suited connectors) that would call your raise. In fact, if I had limped and then been raised that amount, I am only calling with a pocket pair or two paint cards. Weak aces, suited connectors, and even suited aces are going in the muck. Therefore, a CBet is required once it has been checked to you. Since you were the preflop aggressor with a pretty healthy raise, it is imperative that you continue your story. Because of your strong preflop raise, you need to Cbet about 2/3 pot here ( I would bet 0.70), warning Villian that you are strong and that you are not giving up. The check on the flop is telling Villian, "I have Ace King or Ace Jack and I missed", "I have Eights or Nines and I am worried about overcards", or "I flopped top pair or a set and am slowplaying". If I am Villian, I am going to lead the turn no matter what comes with some considerable force as I am confident that you have missed or you have a big one (in other words, your range has effectively been polarized due to your check). I then will react according to whether you call (by shutting down on the river) or just scoop the pot when you fold your jacks.

Turn...

The seven changes nothing. No draws have completed except for middle pair improving to trips, and a seven is not in Villians' limp-call range. So he either has a queen, he has something like Ace-Ten of hearts, or he has nothing. The min-bet Villian puts out is either a misclick, an attempt at a blocker bet gone horrible awry, or a huge tell that Villian is clueless on how to play his hand, whatever it is. I would find myself testing Villian's mettle with a small raise here, maybe to 0.55 or 0.60. Why? He will be forced to float or fold, telling you where you stand in the hand. If he floats, we can put him on an already made hand, a draw, a pocket pair that beats sevens, or a suited weak ace such as Ace Nine. By calling the min-bet, we are giving him a free card to complete a heart flush, hit a set with a pocket pair, or hit an Ace or a King.

River...

The five of hearts ruins the party as it completes flush possibilities. I am ignoring the full house because I don't put villian a five or a seven in Villians' limp-call range; it is the heart that sickens me. However, he bet so small! Less than half pot is really callable, but then I am a station myself so it really depends on your playing style. Arguements could be made for calling, folding, or even RAISING here. I am flat-calling because he limped preflop, makeing hands like Ace Ten, Ace Nine, pocket sixes, etc. all the more possible. He may even have Ace High and think he is good since you didn't bet the flop and passively called the turn. So call, chalk up a small win or loss, and move on.


Hand Two to come later. Please let me know where my lines of thinking are brilliant or insane. -David
 
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Continuing from before...


Hand Two:


Preflop...

I really like the smooth call here. Ace King only hits the board one in three times, and that is not always a risk I like to amplify by 3betting. The smooth call also disguises your hand and could make villian think you have Ace Jack or Ace Ten, which is excellent if he is 4-betting the flop with Ace Queen. The arguement against smooth call is that you are missing out on preflop value if an ace or a king comes, and that Ace King is a great hand to represent with a CBet on a dry ace high or king high board if you have a hand like Jacks or Tens.

Flop...

Action flop. You hit your ace and its time to get value. That is why I do not like the 3-bet after villian has opened for 0.40. We want to tell a story that we had Ace Ten, were priced to call, and that his Ace Queen is now beating us. You may also be able to induce a float from the third person to your left, which just sweetens the pot for your TPTK. However, you raised instead of called, and you raised big. His 4-bet reraise is so scary here, I am probably just going all-in on the flop praying that he didnt flop two pair or a set, as it is obvious that he will lead the turn since he is TAG.

Turn...

You were correct to raise all in. At this point the only hands that are beating you are a boat or a flopped set.

River...

Based on Villian's stats, I don't think he shipped $10.00 with hearts on a draw. Hope you took this one down.
 
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Hand 1

Raise bigger preflop (50c)
Bet the flop for value
Check call the turn (or call for a misdeal!)
C/F river

Hand 2

call preflop
raise the flop and shove over his raise
 
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Hand #1
PF raise is good. Cbet the flop, Barrel the turn, Call the River

Hand#2
3 bet the Flop this makes post flop play much simpler. When you just call a raise with AK, you'er under representing your hand making it more difficult to put your opponent on a range. Because you just called, hands like AT-AQ might take the same line as flopped 2 pair or trips. Now you're in a pickle, folding is as good as calling. I lean toward calling.
Turn is another Ace. He fires out. Unless you have a real good read you have to go with it. Even if you're behing you still have outs. You're both into it for stacks nomatter what so I guess getting it in on the Turn is as good as the River.
Again, you should have 3 bet PF.
 
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Hand 2 shove over his flop raise. What the reason to call here?

Stu, besides draws and weaker aces we are behind everything that raises over, are we that ahead of his range?
 
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Stu, besides draws and weaker aces we are behind everything that raises over, are we that ahead of his range?

We are ahead of AQ AJ etc.

The thing you have to bear in mind is if we arent going to go with TPTK then why call with AK n the first place?

If you dont think he plays a big pot with TP2K then where is the value in the call?
 
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Most of the okay players at 10nl call you down with like AQ, a few will raise but as for 3betting I don't see it often with TP2K, but isn't folding a little nitty? I thought he was an okay player (his stats aside, small sample) because of his bet-sizing and actions didn't seem anything unusual.
 
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We are ahead of AQ AJ etc.

The thing you have to bear in mind is if we arent going to go with TPTK then why call with AK n the first place?

If you dont think he plays a big pot with TP2K then where is the value in the call?

I wasn't getting it until I read the underline part.

Thanks.
 
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