$10 NLHE Full Ring: Good, Bad or Ugly???

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($11.97)
BB ($11.56)
UTG ($4.79)
UTG+1 ($3.33)
MP1 ($10.87)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($10.53)
CO ($8.68)
Hero (Button) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J
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, J
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UTG raises to $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.20, UTG+1 calls $1.20, MP2 calls $1.20

Flop: ($6.15) 4
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, 9
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, 6
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(4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.83 (All-In), MP2 calls $0.73, Hero calls $0.73

Turn: ($11.64) 10
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(3 players, 1 all-in)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.64) 10
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(3 players, 1 all-in)
MP2 bets $6.52 (All-In), Hero calls $6.52

Total pot: $24.68 | Rake: $1.11
 
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what is the result on the end?
 
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Several short stack fish and maybe 1 decent reg in there. Raise more pre-flop to ISO the fish. As played raise the flop and get it in.

Bad.
 
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Should we be raising this vs an UTG open?

As played, I raise the flop.
As played, I bet the turn.
 
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Prefer just flatting pre against UTG. We have position, and JJ isn't doing so well against UTG's continuing range. Multiway we have a lot of implied odds with JJ, and we can probably safely fold to a c-bet by UTG on a low board. He's not bluffing with whiffed overcards into 3+ people, so we don't really beat anything unless he opens 1010 UTG.
 
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Thanks John.

Tim & Min.. UTG and UTG+1 are playing with 33 and 47BBs. Should we still not 3Bet?
 
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Yea, we should not 3-bet vs UTG because we are crushed by his 4-bet shoving range, but we probably have to end up sigh calling and hope we're racing against AK. We are way behind his continuing range. Against a typical UTG range, it's hard to think of a better hand we can fold out by 3-betting JJ or get value from by 3-betting.

I don't expect much fold equity 3-betting vs UTG, so we need strong hands that can call an AI or are strong enough to play postflop if he just flats (which is pretty bad of him considering stack sizes).
 
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Set mining JJ is so weak and UTG has 50BBs, just squeeze pre and call a jam if he shoves.

AP, jam flop against all these shorties
 
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Assuming you don't have reads to say UTG and UTG+1 are good shortstackers I prefer the squeeze as they are probably fish. MP2s range can be fairly wide as he has been calling multiway both times.

Once you get a flop with no overcards and an SPR of bugger all just look to get stacks in on the flop.
 
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Given UTG stack size, without further reads I would 3b squeeze bigger pre, like 2.00. Flop call is fine with the shorty behind but shoving is ok too.
Turn I def shove though unless MP2 is extremely crazy and bluff-happy on the river(vv unlikely with a dry side pot)
 
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With overpair i'm just jammed flop in this situation, you have good equity, ofc UTG standard range more tighter, but i don't care actually, if villains have so low stacks, even if i don't have special reads, or villain just unknown.
 
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squeeze is a bluff here, after so small donk, against so huge flock , we beat nothing, he wants us to call, so he(she) bets so small, logics:) easy call preflop to hit topset against 2nd set & maybe call 1-2 barrels on this board. F-:eek:
 
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Yea, we should not 3-bet vs UTG because we are crushed by his 4-bet shoving range, but we probably have to end up sigh calling and hope we're racing against AK. We are way behind his continuing range. Against a typical UTG range, it's hard to think of a better hand we can fold out by 3-betting JJ or get value from by 3-betting.

I don't expect much fold equity 3-betting vs UTG, so we need strong hands that can call an AI or are strong enough to play postflop if he just flats (which is pretty bad of him considering stack sizes).

Not just isolating you, but I have no idea what most of you are talking about in this thread. These are clearly 2 fish. They are going to get it in (even 4-bet) much wider than normal. You just want to simplify a hand like this for people who are playing these stakes because it's a bigger -EV spot if they misplay it post flop, and secondly against weak players that will shove light you want to get this hand in now. This is one of the top 4 hands in poker. GII now.
 
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