$10 NLHE Full Ring: FPS or OK

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orangepeeleo

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I think i may have misread my stats on this dude whilst playing but heres what i based my actions on.

Raise first in : MP 16% CO 63% BTN 44%
Fold to 3bet : 50% (10) 4bet : 30% (10)

So, at the time, although now I see he was MP not ****in CO, i thought the guy opens wide, I have a bit of fold equity because he seems aggro, blockers to a lot of hands plus some equity if called.


poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 1819464
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Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $5.50
UTG: $14.01
UTG+1: $8.94
MP1: $4.89
MP2: $13.50
CO: $8.85
BTN: $10.50

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q :spade: K :spade:
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.30, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $10 all in, MP2 calls $7.40

Flop: ($20.10) 5 :diamond: 2 :spade: Q :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($20.10) 6 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20.10) 9 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Is this FPS and me just being a tard? Or is it a decent effort and I should be commended for my bravery? lol
 
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Wow, i didnt realise you 5bet shoved it when we talked about it! Yeah 5bet shoving is even worse than 3betting! ughhh!
 
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If he was in the CO like you thought.I like a flat here.Because you crush his range,or am i way off base here?
 
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Nope your bang on the money, he doesn't call 3bets enough that we can add this to our value 3bet range but he is opening so wide we can call and this will be one of our better flatting hands.
 
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acky100 said:
Nope your bang on the money, he doesn't call 3bets enough that we can add this to our value 3bet range but he is opening so wide we can call and this will be one of our better flatting hands.
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Correct me if I'm wrong as im on my phone and don't have stove handy.. You know how I feel about 3bing and continuing ranges acky, but if he's opening ~60% and only folding half the time, surely this is a value 3b/f4b spot, especially when he's 4bing the top 30% of his opening range. That would mean hes willing to 4b roughly top 20% of his range... Wouldn't it?
This would mean that the top 20% of his range 4bs and hands in the 21-30% of his opening range just call... Whih we dominate? At a guess, this part of his range would quite literally be just worse KX, QX hands
 
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While he's definitely not the CO you are 8-handed so he could be opening slightly wider than his MP stats. That said I think this is a flat pre and I REALLY hate the shove because his stats really say that he doesn't like folding much at all and having him call with his AT+ hands really hurts.
 
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If you must 5-bet bluff KQs is a good hand to do it with. That said, I wouldn't be 5-bet bluffing much at these stakes.
 
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I'm totally cool 3-betting this for value pre. This guy hates folding to 3-bets, and he'll be calling even more of them since he's in position. But flatting pre is cool too, since KQs flops well. Just seems like his tendency to call 3-bets too wide is exploitable here.

Once he 4-bets, just give it up.
 
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jchoop said:
Correct me if I'm wrong as im on my phone and don't have stove handy.. You know how I feel about 3bing and continuing ranges acky, but if he's opening ~60% and only folding half the time, surely this is a value 3b/f4b spot, especially when he's 4bing the top 30% of his opening range. That would mean hes willing to 4b roughly top 20% of his range... Wouldn't it?
This would mean that the top 20% of his range 4bs and hands in the 21-30% of his opening range just call... Whih we dominate? At a guess, this part of his range would quite literally be just worse KX, QX hands
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Haven't seen this thread in a while but if i was following what peeleo thought, i think what i meant was, the guy is not calling many 3bets oop, he is 4betting a lot also! but only calling 20% of the time, 20% of a 60% range is not enough to make me want to 3bet KQs for value when i can just call and play KQs against a 60% range, 3betting isn't terrible, its just that we are gonna get 4bet a **** tonne when we have a pretty good hand which sucks. 5bet shoving KQs is pretty shit too imo, i'd rather plan to 3bet 5bet with a hand like pocket 5's which are gonna have good equity against his calling range. That said, i don't totally hate 3betting KQs for value i just think calling is far superior as we only actually see a flop 20% of the time we 3bet arent in super duper shape when we do as his calling range is like AQ, AJs and stuff, so actually i suppose yeah, i much prefer calling than 3betting.
 
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acky100 said:
Haven't seen this thread in a while but if i was following what peeleo thought, i think what i meant was, the guy is not calling many 3bets oop, he is 4betting a lot also! but only calling 20% of the time, 20% of a 60% range is not enough to make me want to 3bet KQs for value when i can just call and play KQs against a 60% range, 3betting isn't terrible, its just that we are gonna get 4bet a **** tonne when we have a pretty good hand which sucks. 5bet shoving KQs is pretty shit too imo, i'd rather plan to 3bet 5bet with a hand like pocket 5's which are gonna have good equity against his calling range. That said, i don't totally hate 3betting KQs for value i just think calling is far superior as we only actually see a flop 20% of the time we 3bet arent in super duper shape when we do as his calling range is like AQ, AJs and stuff, so actually i suppose yeah, i much prefer calling than 3betting.
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Valid point about him 4b'ing a ton. Naturally I agree with giving up when he 4bs. I guess it depends what hands we've seen him show up with after 4bing, cos I'm sure KQs kills his flat 3b range, but is prob behind the 4b. But yeah, happy with flattin and playing a 60% range whih were obv a mile ahead of
 
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oh Acky makes a great point. If he were opening wide and flatting 3-bets OOP wide, 3-betting and playing a big pot in position with a great hand works. But it totally sucks if he's going to 4ball stuff like 88-JJ/AT/AJ that we have good equity against and can outflop so often.
 
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