$10 NLHE Full Ring: Felt behind Pre & AF: Was this play correct?

Demonomania

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/19/3.5

Cake - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
Cake Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.85
BB Hero: $11.22
UTG: $3.75
UTG+1: $23.41
MP: $4.67
MP+1: $8.71
MP+2: $6.32
CO: $5
BTN: $5.94

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB and dealt :qd4: :qs4:
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.20, MP folds, MP+1 raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.65, UTG+1 calls $0.55

Flop: ($2.30) :7d4: :3c4: :8c4: (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP+1 bets $2.30, Hero calls $2.30, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($6.90) :7d4: :3c4: :8c4: :7s4: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+1 bets $3.45, Hero calls $3.45

River: ($13.80) :7d4: :3c4: :8c4: :7s4: :6s4: (2 players)
Hero bets $4.72, MP+1 calls $2.21 (All-in), returned $0

Final Pot: $20.73



I immediately kicked myself for calling the c-bet AF. Was that a completely risky call, or was I okay for doing so w/ QQ given the flop?
Or should I in fact have bet the flop?

Also, his stats concerned me of the AF call, as well.
Any advice for this type of situation for future reference will be most appreciated.
 
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I think when you take this line preflop, you just have to call down. Not sure why after calling all the way you decided to bet the river though?
 
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I'm not too sure why I bet it either. I pretty much figured his remaining stack was going in anyway, so to save myself any more anticipation, I put it in for him.
 
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just raise flop or turn if its all going in. What do you mean when you mention AF, and why is it affecting your decisions?
 
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I was just lost after the flop and confused as to why I just called instead of raising. When no overs to my pair came, I assumed it was clear to continue. But given the pot sized c-bet the villain made, I decided to just call, and continue with caution.

Nothing really seemed to be much of a threat unless he just naturally had me beat with a bigger pair (or the off chance of a set). With that in mind, it effected whether or not I saw it best to raise and get it in on the F,T, but then oddly enough put it in on the river.

AF = After Flop ..probably should have put ATF. idk
 
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4-bet or fold pre, esp. since you clearly don't have a plan for this hand postflop. Bet-fold the flop. As played, check-fold as your range is pretty much exactly JJ-QQ here always and he's unlikely to be bluffing 2 people on this board.
 
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Yeh i agree with him not bluffing often here into 2 guys, check fold looks good.
 
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Villain doesn't have to be bluffing to bet the flop. Since we don't know what type of player UTG+1 is it's hard to say how wide he could be 3betting here but certainly TT/JJ can be in his flop value range just the same as KK/AA. If I call preflop here there is zero chance I fold flop.
 
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Yeah if i call here it's because he's 3betting really wide and im gonna own him when he spews post and so i can keep a fish in or something, or because i feel like i should be folding QQ but i have some great odds to set mine.

There could be a case of calling to get a weaker players stack if you thought he had a lot of AK and AQ stuff that wouldn't cbet when missed, in which case you could ch/fold when he bets or get it in vs a fish when the 3bettor checks. But i agree really, calling isn't great because i just think most people wont 3bet TT/JJ here very often unless the guys an uber fish. The presence of a fish does change it slightly though so i dont think we always have to get it in against the original guy but we can still sometimes call profitably just because the 3 bettor will play straightforward more often and we get in a big pot with a fish.
 
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UTG+1 range was indeed wide. I should go back and check actual stats for the player, but I recall him as being a complete LAG. I had written down quite a few notes from hands I saw make it to showdown, on top of the hands recorded w/ him.

He definitely was good at the style (hence why he was stacked+). Still, I wasn't too terribly concerned about him since I often dominate his range here.
 
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UTG+1 range was indeed wide. I should go back and check actual stats for the player, but I recall him as being a complete LAG. I had written down quite a few notes from hands I saw make it to showdown, on top of the hands recorded w/ him.

He definitely was good at the style (hence why he was stacked+). Still, I wasn't too terribly concerned about him since I often dominate his range here.
My question was more how UTG+1's range might effect MP+1's 3betting range.
 
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