$10 NLHE Full Ring: Double belly + flush draw vs 3bet on the flop

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omgomgomgxx

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Thanks in advance for the opinions. On second thoughts maybe I should have folded the flop?

UTG ($10.2)
Hero($10.7)
SB ($12.6)

Dealt to Hero [7c 9c]
UTG raises to $0.3
Hero: calls $0.3
SB : calls $0.3

FLOP [Kc 10c Jd]
SB: checks
UTG : bets $0.6
Hero: raises to $1.6
SB : raises to $3.6
UTG : folds
Hero calls $2.6

Turn [Kc 10c Jd 8d]
SB: bets $6.8
Hero:calls $6.8 and is all in

River [Kc 10c Jd 8d 3h] SB shows AhQd for a straight.

??? I wasn't too worried initially when UTG led out and I have decided to raise as I believe I have decent equity against a lot of strong hands like two pairs (KQ, KJ, K10,JQ); a slight underdog if Im against KA and AA and maybe 60 40 against a set. Plus, he could easily just cbetting with air.

However, I was extremely confused when SB check raise 3bet me. Obviously the nightmare scenario was him having AQ or any AcXc, but I felt like my hand was too strong to fold and he could have all the hands I mentioned above.Decided to call and fold if I miss but I hit a straight on the turn and that is it.

In retrospect, should I have folded on the flop right away? I thought there is good chance that SB didn't have a straight or AcXc, but if I shove and he really got AcQc I am completely dead. Or maybe should I had just called the flop bet?
 
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suby_rafael

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don't go by Hindsight

i think you played the hand perfectly fine other than the fact that the way the hand played out or should i say the cards ran out(especially the turn card) you had to lose the money. Just is just being on the other side of variance .
Even if you had flatted the flop raise you would still have not been able to get away on the turn. So just sigh and move on to the next hand. :eek:
 
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Thats why I hate cash games. Your stakng your BR on the line. You cant get away with that hand. You have to pay him off. No regrets.
 
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Played the hand as well as you could, just crappy luck.
 
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Are you on the button?

I think you could fold this preflop and live a pretty happy life.

On the flop you fold to that big checkraise. Actually you don't even need to raise the flop, but if you do I guess you do. But certainly don't call.

You say that your hand is too strong, but against two players you are in a situation where some of the time when your hand does actually hit you still lose. A good amount of the time you will be the second best hand here. You don't have the implied odds to call (not enough chips left behind for all those times you miss) and you don't have the express odds to call. There are a lot of hands you are a dog to.

I say fold pre and fold the flop. You don't need to be calling with that on the button very often - especially at these stakes.
 
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really easy fold pre,easy fold to the flop action, and building/playing a big pot when you are on the idiot end of a straight is idiotic.

However, I was extremely confused when SB check raise 3bet me. Obviously the nightmare scenario was him having AQ or any AcXc, but I felt like my hand was too strong to fold
lets break that bit down a bit ......SB wanted to play a big pot so he let the other players in the hand bet and then once they built the pot he could pump it further. Do you see players doing this as a bluff at these stakes . its very rare. This is usually value. You say that your hand was too good to fold ....why .....a Q gives you a straight BUT you lose to any Ax hands who have better straight, an A gives any Qx hands drawing to their openender a better straight.You are drawing to 4 outs and if you hit you still might be beaten by a better straight. others may be drawing to a flushgiving them 9 outs ...twice as many as you , so they will hit twice as often as you . in fact the flush draws make the situation worse for you since they remove one of your outs hit the 8c and flush has you beaten so they have 9 outs and you now have 3 clean outs to maybe the best hand. Why do you want to play a big hand vs opponents who are three times more likely to hit a hand that beats you and if the have Ac or Qc they also have better straight outs than you to add on top. This is reverse implied odds in action and is a result of overvaluing a really weak hand in this situation.
 
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Karozi615

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fold pre
as played stack off
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