$10 NLHE Full Ring: Blind war with QQ against TAG

$10 NL HE Full Ring: Blind war with QQ against TAG

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 19/13/5

Stacks:
* BTN with $12.70
* SB with $19.90
* BB with $12.49
* UTG with $10.57
* UTG+1 with $22.84
* MP1 with $20.35
* MP2 with $10.23
* CO with $19.78




Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to BB:Q♠ Q♥
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * 5 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$0.10]
* * SB raises to $0.60
* * Hero raises to $1.80
* * 1 players fold.
* * SB raises to $4.50
* * Hero raises to $12.49, and is all in


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Sample is on 49 hands so mostly accurate.

QQ on the big blind and I get raised by SB... I 3bet figuring unless he holds KK+ I'm in front, he 4bet me, I shove.

Now I pretty much think it's a no brainer, he could be doing that with a lot of hands considering he's SB and must think I'm just defending my blinds and bluffing him. But I just wanted to know from you guys, Can we really fold facing the 4bet ?

TIA,


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Looks standard to me. Although, keep in mind, he's not stealing your blind, since the button limped. He's telling the button that he wants to play a big pot OOP, so his range is a lot stronger than if the button hadn't limped.

yes, mybe you should just call not reraise allin... he could call with AK AQ or smth and get his ace , dunno probleably too many people there i think if u dont catch another Q on board ur dead

c9h13no3 said:

Looks standard to me. Although, keep in mind, he's not stealing your blind, since the button limped. He's telling the button that he wants to play a big pot OOP, so his range is a lot stronger than if the button hadn't limped.

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I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this - raising what on the face of it appears to be a weak late position limp from the blinds is quite standard with a wide range of hands, although whether this happens as a matter of course at $10NL or not is debatable I suppose.

In an ideal world we'd have more hands on villain and thus more meaningful blind-play stats, but as things stand getting it in preflop seems fine. If we had say TT then things would be a little more interesting and debatable.

I'd call his raise preflop n trap on the flop if no A or K. Even lead out if i've hit my set.

The button limped (Small PP, suited connectors, A-rag), so I think the SB is tryin to protect his hand (AK,AQ,KQ TT+) Praying he has JJ

Seen alot of times when a 4bet turns out to be KK or AA, spesh in a cash game. Seen ppl who wanna jam all the money in preflop with AA,KK,AK.

I havent yet looked at whats been written above me.

When i faced the 3bet from SB i'm 70% of the time calling and putting in a 4-bet 30% of the time. When i faced the 5bet i would be calling 50% of the time and probbly folding the other 50% if theres a 5bet going on usually some one has AA KK.

I would much rather see a flop rather than pot commit especially with QQ when any A or any K only has to hit to beat you.

Most likely he has AA/KK/AK

People do not usually get into raising wars in 10NL

3 bet ranges are generally very very tight JJ+ AK.

His stats look loose 19/13/5, but if he were a decent lag / tag (and thus have a looser 3-bet range) I would expext to see a PFR of 16 and not 13.

You have only 49 hands on him (5 orbits)

So he has played i position 5 times and in the blinds 5 times.. its not a huge sample.

There is no mention of his 3-bet stat but it wouldn't converge this early anyway.

QQ is way ahead of his opening range, but once the 3-bet arrives I would't put him on much more than 3%

Hopefully its AK but right now there isnt enough info on the player to assume that his 19/16 over 5 orbits means that he will stack from the SB light.

Inface his stats may be much much lower than the 19/16 suggests but he has hit the flop well or has had a nice little run of cards.

Over 5 orbits, there are 50 hands. 19% of 50 is 10 and 13% of 50 is about 6.

So is it possible that over the last 5 orbits this player has been dealt 6 good hands and a couple which connected well with the flop? (2 per orbit? he is just running well?) This would also account for his higher agression of 5.

Maybe he is an agro monkey, but I dont think you can make that assumption from the size of the sample.. it is only 5 orbits.

At 10 NL assume his 3bet range is JJ+ AK or even KK+ AK until a much larger sample shows otherwise.

Personally I would have just called in position and played post flop.

'can we fold facing a 4-bet' ... should we be 3 betting him in the fist place??. We have a decent hand and the advantage of position. Both of these factors are greatly diminished once you 3-bet him and even more reduced once he 4-bets.

Many folks are advocating that you should flat call the 1st raise (I think). I would have done what you did and 3bet. Otherwise button might very well call with pot odds and position. Theres a good chance button folds to your reraise and better than 50% chance SB folds/calls as opposed to reraising (the 50% is in my opinion based on his 19/13/5). Since he 4bet and only 2.5x I think he is holding Aces. He wants you to call or even better raise. I would have probably called his 4bet and played the flop.

Stu are you saying 19/13 are not respectable numbers? Do you really have to raise 16 out of 19 times to be a decent player?

BLieve said:

Stu are you saying 19/13 are not respectable numbers? Do you really have to raise 16 out of 19 times to be a decent player?

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19/13 indicates that the player is limping a little too much.

However the point was that in 5 orbits the V$IP and PFR have not yet converged.

The actual numbers could, infact be as low as say 14/11


The 3 bet and 4 bet range of such a player is going to be very very tight at 10NL.

Likewise the actual V$IP/PFR could be 26/16 and his 3 and 4 bet ranges could be huge.

But with the info given, we simply do not know and therefore cannot make decisions based upon it.

Stu_Ungar said:

19/13 indicates that the player is limping a little too much.

However the point was that in 5 orbits the V$IP and PFR have not yet converged.

The actual numbers could, infact be as low as say 14/11


The 3 bet and 4 bet range of such a player is going to be very very tight at 10NL.

Likewise the actual V$IP/PFR could be 26/16 and his 3 and 4 bet ranges could be huge.

But with the info given, we simply do not know and therefore cannot make decisions based upon it.

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Really? Wow I thought a 2 out of 3 to 3 out of 4 PFR is solid.