$10 NLHE Full Ring: bad/too thin value bet on river here?

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pokerstars - $0.10 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

LP: $10.95
CO: $4.64
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.59
Hero (BB): $10.02
UTG: $11.58
UTG+1: $3.86
MP: $5.81
MP+1: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Kh Ac

fold, fold, MP raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 6h As 6d
Hero checks, MP bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, MP calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) 3d
Hero bets $1.30, MP calls $1.30

River: ($4.45, 2 players) Jc
Hero bets $3.50, MP calls $3.50

Too thin on the river?

In my eyes his whole range is Ax, mostly A/broadway so AK/AQ/AJ. Assuming quads and AA repop it on the flop or turn at least.

If half of his range by the river just improved to a better 2 pair, is check/folding - check/calling more viable?

and before you comment I hate my bet sizing, mean't to make it bigger on the flop/turn + river if we bet it..
 
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I like the line taken, getting max value out of AK, only hand I'd really be worried about at this stage is AJ tbh. Most of his range here are worse Aces I'd assume. I won't comment on sizing as you've already said your piece about it.
 
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The villain has $3.61 on the river.

When we bet the river i would just put the rest in. It does look like a big Ax hand. Not many 6x in his range and i dont think he floats twice with JJ.

If we give him AJ, AQ, AK we are 55% vs that range. If we give him AA, we are still 52%.

I think its a very small profiting play but i think a shove is better here. I dont think he has a bluff in his range on the river so we cant get value from xcalling.

Id rather bet and get him to call with AQ than having him x back AQ as well. AT might even be here because im not sure about his pfr.

But overall on the river i would put him all in.

By the sound of it he has AJ but if you take his whole range into consideration, you will be winning more often, although not much more often.
 
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3bet pre against the fish /endthread
 
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He's got less than 60bbs. 3bet pre.

Postflop kinda like the line, when value towning fish we need the initiative. Thing is at 60bbs we don't really need a raise to get his stack in so I like donking.
 
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if we 3bet and get 4 bet we hate it.

UTG raises are supposed to be strong? if he had a history of opening wide then I'd 3 bet, but we're going to be OOP post and a lot of his 3 bet calling range consists of pairs which won't fold to a flop bet a lot.. which means we either have to double barrel in a 3 bet pot and hope for folds, or hope to hit.

calling keeps in his worse aces which have dominated, even though we have to do a lot of check/folding on flops.. the times the board comes with an A/K and we town him for 3 streets makes up for it imo.

just folding is a possibility with reads.. but w/e

but this post isnt about the preflop line, you get distracted too much.
 
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Mp opened not utg. Mp is probably a fish which means he calls with worse.
 
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if we 3bet and get 4 bet we hate it.

UTG raises are supposed to be strong?

Normally I'd agree.

*Villain is 60bbs deep his stacking range is much less likely to be {KK+} than a 100bb reg
*Villain is more than likely a fish.
*As a result villain will likely flat with worse.
*If he folds we were OOP anyway, taking down the pot now wouldn't be too bad.
 
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Mp opened not utg. Mp is probably a fish which means he calls with worse.

Ahh right I'm blind, remember thinking he was UTG in the hand because I was multitabling at the time. Misclick?

Normally I'd agree.

*Villain is 60bbs deep his stacking range is much less likely to be {KK+} than a 100bb reg
*Villain is more than likely a fish.
*As a result villain will likely flat with worse.
*If he folds we were OOP anyway, taking down the pot now wouldn't be too bad.


you not reckon even if he's a fish he folds to 3 bets with weak hands?

with the other stuff I do agree tbh.
 
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Ye he will fold plenty of his junk but I still expect to see AQ/AJ sort of hands to call at the very least. I'd rather build a pot with part of his range than let all of his range see the flop. Same applies to AA or KK really.
 
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3bet preflop. Bet the rest of his stack on river as played.
 
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