$10 NLHE Full Ring: ...... another flush draw

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$10 NL HE Full Ring: ...... another flush draw

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
BB ($5)
UTG ($2.60)
UTG+1 ($10.10)
MP1 ($3.95)
MP2 ($1.80)
MP3 ($2.25)
CO ($3.50)
Hero (Button) ($2.35)
SB ($1.90)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Ks, Kc
2 folds, MP1 bets $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.75) Js, As, 7s (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.60

Now what?
 
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Against a passive fishy villain, I think I'm just calling here and seeing what he does on the turn. Obviously if a spade or K hits, get it in. If he checks a blank turn, I'd bet/call. I'd be cautious if he leads a blank turn or a paired turn, I don't think passive fish like to two barrel monotone flops. But I think there's a good chance you'll take the pot on a blank or spade turn.

Why didn't we 3bet pf?
 
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Not sure I like the smooth call preflop, but it might work for you here. I put the fish on any two paint cards here or even A-rag.

Call here. You are either way ahead or way behind. Minimize your exposure until you have the nut flush.
 
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Not 3-betting preflop makes baby jesus cry.

Call here. You are either way ahead or way behind.
Wat? How are we ever way behind when we're drawing to the nuts on the flop? Does not compute. We're either way ahead or we have a strong draw to improve.

Flop seems like a pretty standard call.
 
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Agreed about the 3bet pre.
You're guess is as good as ours as to whether he can fold here without a spade or will just push into a re-raise. At this limit I definitely sway more towards he won't fold well to this board with his stats. I really can't see calling here and not seeing another bet or call of a bet to see the riv, which in my view makes just the call pointless. You're not sure, don't want to reraise, then fold.
 
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Not 3-betting preflop makes baby jesus cry.

Wat? How are we ever way behind when we're drawing to the nuts on the flop? Does not compute. We're either way ahead or we have a strong draw to improve.

Flop seems like a pretty standard call.

You're way behind on any Ace or flopped 2 pair. Hell, he could have a pair of 7's with that 3-bet pre. The "strong draw" sounds great, but you only have about an 18% chance to improve on either the turn or 19% on the river with the flush.

Call, then smack. He'll stack you.
 
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bigger question why are you playing on a table with 9 short stacks? and why didnt you reraise preflop always take the initiative when your in position and push all in weak ace folds ace without a spade folds if your buried you still have outs
 
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Thanks everybody.

No 3-bet, I was trying to be tricky.

Looking back should have called flop bet and see what happens on the turn. Once again saw nut flush draw and wheeeeeeee I shoved.

If I can just learn to not be so AGG with flush draws I may save a little $$$.

The rest of the story:

Flop: ($0.75) Js, As, 7s (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.05 (All-In), MP1 calls $1.45
Turn: 4c
River: 6d

MP1 shows Ah Qh

Total pot: $4.85 | Rake: $0.20
 
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Definite 3-bet preflop.. You get yourself in these situations when you don't.

As played, i think you should call. This is a WA/WB situation imo.
 
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Haven't read the replies, but unless you have a very specific, good reason not to, not reraising preflop is a mistake, for a host of reasons. For one, you're playing lower limits and you will almost always get called when your equity is higher than your opponents. Second, in this spot, you're giving the blinds odds to call with a fairly wide range by just calling.

On the flop, it depends on your read of the opponent. Is he capable of folding a weak ace? Without a read, I'm probably raising the flop and taking a free card on the turn if I don't get reraised. If I get reraised, we're probably getting odds to get it all in there, but I'm not happy about it.
 
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Why didn't we 3bet pf?

I'm not sure he is deep enough to 3-bet, maybe he could 2.5 bet.

In all seriousness, stop playing with 25BB and buyin for 100. Also find tables that aren't dominated with SS's
 
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Yea 3-bet or all in preflop.Here is a flush draw on the board.He can bet preflop with various hands.He maybe got no A here.You have just call him preflop and hasn't show him strenght of your hand.I think you can push him at this moment.You got second pair on the board and need one spade for nut flush.With three spades on the board you can push here and maybe he will fold immediately.
 
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Just raise this preflop, it will become easier. As played check call unless you improve, most callers wont fold an ace, raising will only fold worse hand which we want in
 
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