$10 NLHE Full Ring: AKo did i play this like a donkey?

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Hi guys, another AK hand and this time my 4 bet didnt get flatted, i got 5 bet..... Looking for some advice on how to play this hand, if im not playing this profitably or whether i should grow some balls or just fold to villains 3 bet if im not prepared to call a 5 bet or shove? Keep facing this situation and sometimes villain flats my 4 bet and i end up winning or i get 5 bet shoved and this makes me think villain must have QQ + .. I had around 750 hand on this villain and his 3 bet from blinds was 7% which is why i was inclined to 4 bet, did i just run into the top of his range maybe?

Thanks all;

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (CO) ($10)
Button ($6.34)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10.25)
UTG ($9.70)
UTG+1 ($5.97)
MP1 ($11.20)
MP2 ($10.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K
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, A
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2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $5, 1 fold

Total pot: $6.15 | Rake: $0

Results:
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Outcome: BB won $6.15
 
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4-bet folding is pretty awful generally but I think he played his AA like a donkey.
 
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lol that is very funky indeed. it's stupid and yo uend up hating yourself for folding but it deffo looks like AA. Make a note and next time 4-bet it bigger to commit yourself and him
 
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Yeah its always a weird one, im never comfortable stacking AK against any regulars as i feel im always either racing or crushed... do we want to get committed here with AK? Thanks for getting back to me

Edit: what do we think about flatting the 3 bet IP against regulars like this ?
 
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Yeah its always a weird one, im never comfortable stacking AK against any regulars as i feel im always either racing or crushed... do we want to get committed here with AK? Thanks for getting back to me

Edit: what do we think about flatting the 3 bet IP against regulars like this ?

I don't like it, hard to get value, you're not going to be up against AQ with an A on board too often.

I mean the problem is that he min-5bet if he shoved it was a snap call
 
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Yeah its always a weird one, im never comfortable stacking AK against any regulars as i feel im always either racing or crushed... do we want to get committed here with AK? Thanks for getting back to me

Edit: what do we think about flatting the 3 bet IP against regulars like this ?


you're in late position vs. the BB, you should be happy stacking against almost anyone unless they are like a 9/8 nitfish who 3-bets 1.5%.
 
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Ah right, so its +EV to snap call a shove by villain here. It must be a big flaw in my game as im always scared to play for stacks with AK against quite tight opponents, thanks for the help guys
 
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You're getting odds to shove over him even if this is QQ+/AK (and his range is almost certainly that wide). If he's 5betting small to fold say JJ (lol but plausible) it's even better. Don't 4bet/fold AK for 100bb.
 
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not to be a thread stealer but is it going to be profitable to have as a general rule to never fold AK pre at limits like 25nl below?
 
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You're getting odds to shove over him even if this is QQ+/AK (and his range is almost certainly that wide). If he's 5betting small to fold say JJ (lol but plausible) it's even better. Don't 4bet/fold AK for 100bb.

Isn't such a min-5bet a sign of AA ?
 
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Maybe? Who knows? I tend to not give anyone credit for anything though so I know of only 1 way to find out. :)
 
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IDK, I don't play any full ring so the games may have changed but I'd never expect to see QQ or worse in this kind of spot from this type of player. My experience in playing nits like this is that they may make an oversized raise with AK OOP but they aren't making these cutsie min 5-bets with it.
 
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Yeah, can agree with baudib for once. This should be like 99% of the time AA unless villain has gone crazy mad
 
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Im pretty sure a tight villain like this is only 4 betting or more with QQ+ and AK also, so should we get into the situation where we're playing for stacks cause surely we're never ahead of anything at best we're flipping? Or is the shove / calling the shove profitable because of the times they fold to 4 bets and because we have a blocker to the top of his range?? Still struggling with the idea of playing for stacks when i know villain is playing for stacks with QQ+ and AK :S
 
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Im pretty sure a tight villain like this is only 4 betting or more with QQ+ and AK also, so should we get into the situation where we're playing for stacks cause surely we're never ahead of anything at best we're flipping? Or is the shove / calling the shove profitable because of the times they fold to 4 bets and because we have a blocker to the top of his range?? Still struggling with the idea of playing for stacks when i know villain is playing for stacks with QQ+ and AK :S

It's mathematically profitable because of the dead money already in the pot to call a shove. My only issue with this hand is the retarded min-5bet he pulled which screams AA and only AA not QQ+/AK, in which case it's obv un-profitable. But if he shoved just insta-call
 
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It's mathematically profitable because of the dead money already in the pot to call a shove. My only issue with this hand is the retarded min-5bet he pulled which screams AA and only AA not QQ+/AK, in which case it's obv un-profitable. But if he shoved just insta-call

I see, yeah it looked so pathetic him trying to squeeze an extra $2 into the pot but makes sense to call the shove i suppose with the money already invested, suppose theres more chance of me running into QQ than AA and KK also, cheers for the help everyone
 
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