$10 NLHE Full Ring: AK suited pos but he shoves flop??

- $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem (9 players)

SB: $7
BB: $14.87
UTG: $10 (sitting out)
UTG+1: $10.27 VPIP 43% PFR 9% AGG 51% HANDS 53
MP: $19.99
MP+1: $10 VPIP 18% PFR 13% AGG 20% HANDS 157
MP+2: $9.10
CO: $10.58
BTN Hero: $10

Pre-flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN and dealt
UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP folds, MP+1 raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.18, 3 folds, MP+1 calls $0.78

Flop: ($2.61) (3 players)
MP+1 bets $8.82 (All-in) I guess easy fold here right ?? What's your thoughts thanks

I'm folding with zero deliberation.

Couldn't fold fast enough

MediaBLITZ said:

I'm folding with zero deliberation.

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jbbb said:

Couldn't fold fast enough

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I dont think its so clear cut. While it may be a fold what range are you giving villain(VPIP 18% PFR 13% AGG 20% HANDS 157 ) here that would donk shove this board?


If its any NFD then we still have 50% equity. It doesnt change much when you add in more FDs like KQs or KJs. It really changes though when you add TT-QQ(34%) but would this player really do that with those hands? This guy isnt caling 3 bets OOP with suited one gappers or any hands with a 7 and hes never shoving 99 or any 9x hands.


This is a weird hand for sure and I dont really know what to think about it. Maybe AIC can tell us how hes been playing at the table that might make a non agro player spazz out on him?

Yea i'm not sure i don't recall him shoving any other time. Guess he had the nutzzz or has nutzzz :dontknow:

ALL IN CLUBS said:

Yea i'm not sure i don't recall him shoving any other time. Guess he had the nutzzz or has nutzzz :dontknow:

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I meant how you've been playing at the table or in general. You have 150 hands on him and he probs has a HUD too. Why would he shove the nuts?

I would put him on 10s, jacks or queens...along with a misclick

brank said:

I meant how you've been playing at the table or in general. You have 150 hands on him and he probs has a HUD too. Why would he shove the nuts?

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probably sees our 3bet as an overpair and so if he shoves with KK+ he's likely to get a call out of TT+ maybe

maybe he's a stupid reg who called a 3bet oop with JJ and thought he was safe and wanted some dead money? I cant imagine many flush draws in this guys range myself :/ and tight regs cant seem to fold QQ or JJ even though they dont like getting it in pf.

Good to see you grinding FR still AIC, everyone else has left us!

bgomez89 said:

probably sees our 3bet as an overpair and so if he shoves with KK+ he's likely to get a call out of TT+ maybe

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Ya, I do think a badly played AA/KK here is good possibility since his AFq% is so low. I just wanted to start a discussion instead of a one liner answer that says "obv fold".

pretty much folding, I think calling here is pretty bad without significant history of spew or timing tell.

A lot of people "put you on AK" and will shove PPs on safeish boards.

It'd be an interesting thread if we had 9x.

IMHO it boils down to why he bet all in and what kind of player/level he is at?

why he bet:
A. Did he bet all in to protect his PP, 9s, or FD?
B. Did he bet all in to steal the pot?
C. Did he bet all in for value (make you think he is stealing but has made hand) and wants a call?

Due to stakes I would take C out most of time. Which leaves A and B. Against a PP or 9x here we are 25% to catch and A or K. Against most FD we are just under 50/50.

If this is a pure bluff we have a great bluff catcher.

I think it depends on your read of the villain on this one. Also consider are there other hands you can have a higher EV against him and get all of his chips?

I had a similar situation on Saturday where a guy moved all-in for 2x pot on a paired board. I called with AJo because:
1) the guy was a good player who played solid poker for the few hours he was there.
2) he was on tilt due to some coolers
3) if he had had a good hand knowing that he was a good player he would have tried to string me along (Because on he was on tilt I did not expect him to be playing thinking about what I was thinking beyond scaring me to fold).

I called showed A high and he mucked his hand.

Based off of what you have given I think I would call a good amount (30-40%) of the time against this villain. His aggression makes a bluff likely and chances of him holding a 9 or a 7 are low but a good chance for a PP. The only thing is I think we can pick other situations where we will know more about where we stand, this hand is a little too in the dark to be sure.

I think its a very easy fold, the guy's really tight, he flat called our 3bet which screams JJ or QQ to me, maybe he even tries getting fancy and flatting our 3bet with KK or AA sometimes, either way you need a good read to call here, what does an 11% pre flop raiser raise in MP when some fish limps in? maybe like 77-AA, AT+,KJ+,QJ. something like that i'd imagine and most of it should be getting folded to our 3bet, when he does call he likes his hand somewhat, if hes a bad reg then he will flat 3bets oop with stuff like AQ, but more likely TT-QQ, if he does have AQ or AJ then theres still much less combo's of AJs and AQs than TT-QQ.

The really odd part is that he didn't even let us c-bet which would be better for him to shove over... i dont know.

Fold. Also it's a spot where you should definately consider flatting preflop. You have position and you'll encourage the UTG limper to call.

acky100 said:

The really odd part is that he didn't even let us c-bet which would be better for him to shove over... i dont know.

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Cbetting that board in a 4bet pot would be horrible.

[ ] Pot has been 4 bet
[x] WVH is getting old and needs glasses to read
[x] Im goin to get banned for this

oops. Still a horrible board to cbet in a 3bet pot.

acky100 said:

maybe he's a stupid reg who called a 3bet oop with JJ and thought he was safe and wanted some dead money? I cant imagine many flush draws in this guys range myself :/ and tight regs cant seem to fold QQ or JJ even though they dont like getting it in pf.

Good to see you grinding FR still AIC, everyone else has left us!

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yea thanks Acky , i'm not exactly crushing the games they are crushing me LOL