$10 NLHE Full Ring: AK preflop vs 3bet from TAGfish

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 12/9/1.8

Stacks:
UTG - Hero ($10.32)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($21.20)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 ($10.89)
MP - MP ($10.65)
MP2 - MP2 ($6.10)
CO - CO ($10.00)
BTN - BTN ($7.08)
SB - SB ($11.98)
BB - BB ($12.43)

Preflop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is UTG with K:diamond: A:spade:
Hero raises to $0.40, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, 7 folds, Hero raises to $3.45, UTG+1 raises to $21.20 (all-in), Hero calls $6.87 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $10.88 returned to UTG+1



Villain was 12/9/1.8 over 1.5k hands and his 3b was only 3%, so normally i'd snap fold here (that's correct right vs such a narrow 3b range and OOP?). However there is some history with villain, in that i'd raised with reasonable hands (AJ, 99, KQ) for the past 3 hands on that table and every time i had to fold to a 3b by this guy which was kinda frustrating. I felt like maybe he had it in for me given i'd won a 150bb pot against him about a week ago full house over full house. So when he 3b me this time i decided i'd just had enough of his nonsense and decided to 4bet him (even though when he gets it in i know i'm probably at best flipping). Do you think this was wise? Is it possible that his frequent 3bets are just due to chance and a run of good cards? (Also lol at my 4bet sizing, normally i make it $2.60 or something but i was kinda tilted by this point)
 
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The odds are he's on a pair QQ-1010 , Folding is never wrong in this spot , but don't over think the hand pre unless the guy is no doubt on tilt.
 
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I think the 4x open was too large and increased the size of the raises afterward. Also, he could have just had good cards before and at least one of the hands you mentioned had the right price to set mine I think (99). The 4bet was way too big especially with "a drawing hand" preflop. Seems like this guy has a pretty narrow range. I wouldn't hate flat ting the 3bet but then again you're oop. I certainly wouldn't call the 5bet. You're either flipping or crushed here always.
 
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4x from utg at fullring is ok with AK..against that stats of villain probabily i fold,like you said you hope to a flip,and you dont want this with 100 bb`s..
 
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Against this tighter villain there is no need to 4bet, we can flat his 3bet as we can be pretty sure he has a very good hand and he would not do it with worse hand.

So rather than folding pre flop i would see a flop and then fold if we miss ... although i can understand making a fold as some people don't like giving any action to such a tight player. :p
 
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Fold.

Are these the same hands your posting on 2p2 just wondering so that I'm not looking at the same hands twice.
 
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I think your action (base on stack) doesnt warrant for such play.

With his reraise, I would rather call or fold.
 
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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 12/9/1.8

Stacks:
UTG - Hero ($10.32)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($21.20)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 ($10.89)
MP - MP ($10.65)
MP2 - MP2 ($6.10)
CO - CO ($10.00)
BTN - BTN ($7.08)
SB - SB ($11.98)
BB - BB ($12.43)

Preflop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $0.40, UTG+1 raises to $1.10, 7 folds, Hero raises to $3.45, UTG+1 raises to $21.20 (all-in), Hero calls $6.87 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $10.88 returned to UTG+1



Villain was 12/9/1.8 over 1.5k hands and his 3b was only 3%, so normally i'd snap fold here (that's correct right vs such a narrow 3b range and OOP?). However there is some history with villain, in that i'd raised with reasonable hands (AJ, 99, KQ) for the past 3 hands on that table and every time i had to fold to a 3b by this guy which was kinda frustrating. I felt like maybe he had it in for me given i'd won a 150bb pot against him about a week ago full house over full house. So when he 3b me this time i decided i'd just had enough of his nonsense and decided to 4bet him (even though when he gets it in i know i'm probably at best flipping). Do you think this was wise? Is it possible that his frequent 3bets are just due to chance and a run of good cards? (Also lol at my 4bet sizing, normally i make it $2.60 or something but i was kinda tilted by this point)

Well, the worst thing you can do is wait until your 3rd or 4th 3-bet to 4-bet because you can expect at that point that your opponent is going to know that you're going react. It's a fold.

If you were going to 4-bet, then you needed to do it the first time, but if if he's only 3-betting that small, I'd make more the assumption that he's had a good run and make a note. If you're at another session and it happens, then act accordingly.
 
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tight guy nearly 3xing your UTG open from UTG+1 i would honestly just flat it
 
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I will fold to his 5bet here.
 
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range of AA, KK, maybe AK or QQ, but not too likely on these last two. one you split, one you flip, two you die. that would be my guess.

me, personally? I'd flat the 3bet and see what the flop brings. as 4 betted I would fold to the shove. some people tend to 3bet light, but most don't like to shove light without some indication that have a good shot.
 
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I do agree with most people and feel I was too concerned about getting "bullied" by this player without considering that maybe he was just on a good run of cards. Since i don't like calling 3bets OOP and his range could be very nutted, i feel like folding pre is probably the safest option here
 
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So what did he have then?
If that is the 4th time the same player 3bets me then Im happy to gii at 100bb pre with AK here especially as we have recent history. He could easily 5 bet quite light here. looks like he's just trying to put a beat on you I wouldn't be surprised to see something as weak as a mid pair here if that was the case.
 
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