$10 NLHE Full Ring: AK in HiJack (Villians first hand at table)

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$10 NL HE Full Ring: AK in HiJack (Villians first hand at table)

Hey Gang,
Would like your thoughts on this hand. Villian had just sat down so we really don't know anything about him. We both are full stacked (100bb).
Here we go:$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players


Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details


BTN: $6.40 (64 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $10.70 (107 bb)
MP1: $14.45 (144.5 bb)
Hero (MP2): $10.50 (105 bb)
MP3: $1.95 (19.5 bb)
CO: $4.85 (48.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with K
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 8
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5
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K
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(2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.50) 9
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(2 players)
SB bets $3.90, Hero????
 
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i think u should of raised the flop. if u think u were good to call u were good to raise there. the 1.70 very well could just b a c-bet. or a semi-bluff. atleast with a raise u would find out where ur at.
 
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i would of played it

well yes i would of played the AK the same way. i find that when
some players first sit down they raise with anything that is half way
descent to them. I dont know what it is its like they all think they
are going to win the first hand no matter what they have. pretty
stupid i think but they do it all day long. DONKS
gl at the table and hope to see you on the felt soon
gl
 
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Hey Gang,
Would like your thoughts on this hand. Villian had just sat down so we really don't know anything about him. We both are full stacked (100bb).
Here we go:$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players


Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details


BTN: $6.40 (64 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $10.70 (107 bb)
MP1: $14.45 (144.5 bb)
Hero (MP2): $10.50 (105 bb)
MP3: $1.95 (19.5 bb)
CO: $4.85 (48.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with K
club.gif
A
club.gif

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 8
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5
heart.gif
K
heart.gif
(2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.50) 9
club.gif
(2 players)
SB bets $3.90, Hero????

Sitting in the comfort of my office chair with all the time in the world and not a 30 second time bank, I like raising the flop to calling. I raise to 3.50 which leaves 4.50 behind, obv I call a shove/shove the turn myself. I assume players at the micros are bad until proven otherwise and would expect to be looked up by bad Kings and Flush draw lots.

edit: as played it is a shove the turn is a brick so nothing in the hand has changed and you can't narrow his range to make a fold correct.
 
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just shove, he has barely anything left behind
 
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gl at the table and hope to see you on the felt soon
gl

I seen him at the felt today and he felted me lol :mad:

I think you've gotta fold on the turn there, i don't mind flat calling the flop to see what he does if a brick comes, but i don't think you can do anything else but fold here now the bricks came and its not stopped him, especially without reads or stats.

Any mid pair hand wouldnt fire again with the k out, its his first hand so i don't expect him to be firing 2 barrels on a semi bluff fd, a set would play it the same i think, but is 88 or 55 3betting pf in the SB, maybe to a late position raiser but not to someone in MP. Its a tough one, no need to get involved any further here though imo.

.....Then again you've seen my play at its worst point so my opinion might not matter too much to you atm lol first cc'er i've ran into on stars and i get owned lol.
 
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I seen him at the felt today and he felted me lol :mad:

I think you've gotta fold on the turn there, i don't mind flat calling the flop to see what he does if a brick comes, but i don't think you can do anything else but fold here now the bricks came and its not stopped him, especially without reads or stats.

Any mid pair hand wouldnt fire again with the k out, its his first hand so i don't expect him to be firing 2 barrels on a semi bluff fd, a set would play it the same i think, but is 88 or 55 3betting pf in the SB, maybe to a late position raiser but not to someone in MP. Its a tough one, no need to get involved any further here though imo.

.....Then again you've seen my play at its worst point so my opinion might not matter too much to you atm lol first cc'er i've ran into on stars and i get owned lol.

sry but all of the stuff you post that i've read has been incredibly nitty poker-wise. you can't fold overpairs because you're afraid that they have a set, you can't fold TPTK here. flatting preflop with AK, calling one barrel on our dream flop, and then folding to a turn barrel is just really bad, especially with a hand as good as this/
 
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sry but all of the stuff you post that i've read has been incredibly nitty poker-wise. you can't fold overpairs because you're afraid that they have a set, you can't fold TPTK here. flatting preflop with AK, calling one barrel on our dream flop, and then folding to a turn barrel is just really bad, especially with a hand as good as this/

Yeah i guess, gonna stop giving "advice" until i sort my own mindset out, i'm not this tight really, i'd have probably 3bet the flop and pushed that turn at 5nl 2 weeks ago, fast forward to me sucking at 10nl and i am giving nitty opinions, sorry
 
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Yeah i guess, gonna stop giving "advice" until i sort my own mindset out, i'm not this tight really, i'd have probably 3bet the flop and pushed that turn at 5nl 2 weeks ago, fast forward to me sucking at 10nl and i am giving nitty opinions, sorry

Vanq, isn't saying stop giving advice (atleast I don't think so) he is just challenging the adice you are giving.

I learn a lot personally by posting my sometimes dumbass point of view and having it challanged. That isn't to say that I always change my mind either. Discussion and differing points of view are a good thing. Otherwise we would all play the same way all the time. What the hell is the fun in that. :)
 
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Yeah i guess, gonna stop giving "advice" until i sort my own mindset out, i'm not this tight really, i'd have probably 3bet the flop and pushed that turn at 5nl 2 weeks ago, fast forward to me sucking at 10nl and i am giving nitty opinions, sorry

you're overadjusting to your new limit. there is virtually no difference between 5nl and 10nl. you can play nice and aggro and be profitable all the way up to 100nl iyam
 
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Hey Gang,
Would like your thoughts on this hand. Villian had just sat down so we really don't know anything about him. We both are full stacked (100bb).
Here we go:$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players


Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details


BTN: $6.40 (64 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $10.70 (107 bb)
MP1: $14.45 (144.5 bb)
Hero (MP2): $10.50 (105 bb)
MP3: $1.95 (19.5 bb)
CO: $4.85 (48.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with K
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A
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 8
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5
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K
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(2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.50) 9
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(2 players)
SB bets $3.90, Hero????


Just looking at his range.

According to pokerstove

Preflop, you bet, he 3-bet.

You are ahead of his range provided his 3-bet range is 0.9% or less (AA KK) On that board.

A 3-bet range is usually about 6%

This puts you about a 3:1 favorate to win
 
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Put him all-in. I'm probably raising the flop but flatting and getting it in on the turn is great if you think he might fold to a flop raise, but will fire again on the turn.

Orange, stop worrying about losing with KK to AA or overpairs to sets. All of the hands you've posted have been played fine. You'll be ok as soon as you realize your new limit is the same as your old limit. Now if I can just convince myself of the same.
 
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PF you should generally be 4betting and calling it off, Jim. Calling is ok but as a default you should be stacking. If you're calling, you absolutely can never fold TP on a board like this.

With villain having so little behind, just shove.
 
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Villians stats at the end of the session (about 100 hands) 12/12/inf with a 3bet % of about 8 if i remember correctly.

I really struggle with the 3bet/4bet dynamic at 10nl at the moment because you see it so infrequently. Before this hand I was looking at the table dynamics ( I was on 10 tables) and only three people had 3 bet stats (and this was nearing the end of a 3 hour session).
 
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Villians stats at the end of the session (about 100 hands) 12/12/inf with a 3bet % of about 8 if i remember correctly.

I really struggle with the 3bet/4bet dynamic at 10nl at the moment because you see it so infrequently. Before this hand I was looking at the table dynamics ( I was on 10 tables) and only three people had 3 bet stats (and this was nearing the end of a 3 hour session).

I agree with you here.

I very rarely see 3 and 4 bets so its difficult to really get any useful stats on the villian for 3 and 4 bets at $10 NL
 
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Just looking at his range.

According to pokerstove

Preflop, you bet, he 3-bet.

You are ahead of his range provided his 3-bet range is 0.9% or less (AA KK) On that board.

A 3-bet range is usually about 6%

This puts you about a 3:1 favorate to win

Could you show me how you calculated this, Stu? Thanks.
 
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Could you show me how you calculated this, Stu? Thanks.

Sorry its 2:1

Done with pokerstove www.pokerstove.com

preflop villian is assumed to be on a 6% range for his 3-bet


Board: 8d 5h Kh 9c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.071% 25.40% 06.67% 503 132.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 67.929% 61.26% 06.67% 1213 132.00 { AcKc }
 
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Sorry its 2:1

Done with pokerstove www.pokerstove.com

preflop villian is assumed to be on a 6% range for his 3-bet


Board: 8d 5h Kh 9c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.071% 25.40% 06.67% 503 132.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 67.929% 61.26% 06.67% 1213 132.00 { AcKc }

don't forget that just because his 3-betting range is such, it does not mean that his stacking off range is such
 
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Thats true.

It just looks to me as though he either has a lower king or he is betting his own flush draw as a semi-bluff.

The flop bet could easily be just a c-bet with nothing
 
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