$10 NLHE Full Ring: against a player who hasn't gone out of line & a limping fish

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$10 NLHE Full Ring: against a player who hasn't gone out of line & a limping fish

UTG is a fish. SB is a good player. Is the line OK?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

BB ($10)
UTG ($6.01)
UTG+1 ($11.28)
MP1 ($11.36)
Hero (MP2) ($18.81)
CO ($7.13)
Button ($9)
SB ($11.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A
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, K
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UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.60) J
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, 3
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, 8
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(2 players)
SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

Turn: ($6) K
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(2 players)
SB bets $2.90, Hero calls $2.90

River: ($11.80) 6
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $11.80 | Rake: $0.53
 
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Well-played. Weird enough one of the only hands I can put villain on is AK barring him 3betting light with something like Ac5c. 5 bucks you chopped this pot.

There really shouldn't be too much reason to bet on the end. The only thing you get value from is KQs (if he would 3b this). Other 3b worthy hands wouldn't take this line. 10s wouldn't fire twice. JJ would fire three times (probably). QQ would slow down on turn (probably). KK would fire three times. And AA would also. Idk I'm curious to see the results.
 
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Tbh I don't like playing AK in a squeezed pot with an SPR of 3ish. I'd rather just 4-bet/GII preflop. If there were no limpers and we just raised and got 3-bet, I'd rather flat IP because the SPR ratio is larger and we have more room postflop. Hand well played though. River bet doesn't really accomplish much; check is fine.
 
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I like Minh's suggestion fwiw. +1
 
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Yup 4 bet pre. Especially against a good player because you don't want to only be 4 betting AA/KK when they 3 bet you out of the blinds.
 
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I like this play, very nice, good position to build pot, but i like show strength of my hand with 4-bet pre against limpers, just isolate from game, but you played also fine.
 
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Well played imo. I don't play much full ring so not sure on ranges etc 4betting pre is an option if you're happy to get it in and like IPlay says - you need to have a 4bet range other than AA,KK and AK is perfect due to blockers. So I'm leaning towards 4betting. Maybe there is merit though to betting river for thin value, as I don't think we're beat. River is a blank so there is no reason why he wouldn't fire with his aces for value, he might check AK not sure why though, same with KQs if he 3bets that. Also, look at his turn bet sizing - it's less than half pot, it looks like he's either setting it up for a river shove or he doesn't want to put too much money in the pot for fear of being beat. Since he checks river, we can rule out the former and safely assume that the top of his range is AK here. Making it an ok spot for a thin value bet if you think he will call with any K or QQ
 
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Also, it's worth noting that his 3bet range in this spot might be larger than usual since it looks like your initial range is just to isolate the fish (which you might do with a wider range than usual)
 
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thanks guys. He showed up with 44 !!! Do you play 4s that way?
 
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Nah I really don't think 44 makes almost any sense here. So he's bluffing the whole way here right? I mean he's got to figure that very little that he beats is calling flop (AK, but you have tons of equity). So, given that he has to be bluffing, we can evaluate his line.

His cbet is OK given that he can maybe fold out something like 55 or 66. After this, the K turn smacks your floating range, right? If he's betting turn, he has to bet river to get any other PPs that were hanging around to fold. So pretty much he has to either A. Check-fold flop. B. C-bet-give up. C. Triple barrel. Betting two streets is super meh. And triple barreling is meh unless you're super tight and would always fold pairs to 3 bets.

tl;dr. Don't take his line with 4s.
 
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You can do this with 44 against the CO & Btn but not really MP2 unless they fold to cbets a ton.
It's not totally insane though as there are plenty of players that will fold AK in your shoes when they whiff here especially if the SB has a low 3bet/squeeze stat. I presume you had some sort of read here? I would fold to the cbet if he was less than 5% 3bet with only 6 dodgy outs.
I agree 4bet IP is best rather than lose initiative.
 
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