$10 NLHE Full Ring: 99 on BB vs CO raise, river decision!

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($4.86)
MP1 ($5)
MP2 ($4.30)
CO ($7.77)
Button ($4)
SB ($14.25)
Hero (BB) ($12.67)
UTG ($3.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9
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, 9
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4 folds, CO bets $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 7
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, 3
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, 10
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, CO calls $0.55

River: ($3.15) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, CO raises to $2.10, Hero ???

our image is TAG

pre flop: i think its a standart call or maybe 3bet because villain is LAG

flop: decide just c/c because i didn't want to build a big pot OOP and i'm not sure if my hand is good enough. maybe it was a bad move beacuse we don't get any information about our hand

turn: i bet 1/4 of the pot i think its a blank card if i get reraised i would fold
but instead of that villain just calls. if he was strong at this point i think he will make a reraise

river: i bet same as turn maybe it should bet like 1/3 of the pot and not so small. i did that because maybe worse hands could be call me and better hands would reraised me to get value.

i think the range of the villains hand is polarized!

what are your thoughts? i will post the result soon...!!!
 
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3bet or fold preflop. He's too loose to setmine and too aggressive to try to play a small pot OOP.

As played I don't like the turn bet at all (probably ch/c again on that turn card). Also don't like the river bet. I ch/c on that particular river assuming his bet size isn't extreme but my plan would be to ch/f most rivers.
 
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Is it really profitable to c/c the turn in order to c/f most rivers? I'd like to check turn and if he checks behind go for thin value on the river. Also don't like the river bet sizing, it screams weakness imo.
 
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As played, river is close because your turn and river betting sucks.

pre: 3-bet

flop: call

turn: probably c/f

river: bet like $1.75 or c/f
 
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Is it really profitable to c/c the turn in order to c/f most rivers? I'd like to check turn and if he checks behind go for thin value on the river. Also don't like the river bet sizing, it screams weakness imo.
I think against a guy this loose and aggro you can call the turn only because it's the least likely card in the deck to have given our opponent the best hand. I'd agree that we should be ch/f most turns but I think in this particular hand ch/calling 2 streets is slightly better.
 
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Preflop and flop are fine. OTT you either have to lead for an amount that makes him fold (1/4 pot does not accomplish this. I would float you IP with pretty much my whole range for that amount). Or you should just C/C or possibly C/F depending on how aggro he is.

OTR the same thing applies. Normally river re-raises at this level are always nut hands. But it is possible that he is flipping out because he thinks that you are weak. But he could still be flipping out with a hand that beats you! Don't put yourself in this position in the first place. Make a regular sized bet or check.
 
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Flatting pre-flop is fine if feel you can out play your opponent post flop, your not only set mining in that case. If you have a read on the villain that he will double or even triple barrel bluff ip then this would have been the perfect time to cc 3 streets. I think if he is a lag then leading the turn eliminates his bluffing range, so I feel that cc is better as you prevent the tough spot on the river.
 
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Trying to outplay people OOP is bad/dumb.
 
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Flatting pre-flop is fine if feel you can out play your opponent post flop, your not only set mining in that case. If you have a read on the villain that he will double or even triple barrel bluff ip then this would have been the perfect time to cc 3 streets. I think if he is a lag then leading the turn eliminates his bluffing range, so I feel that cc is better as you prevent the tough spot on the river.

with c/c especially on all 3 streets we don't get any information about the strengh of his hand i think by betting ( i agree with the fact that my bets sucks beacause are too small) OTT he can get many information about his hand and the river IMO its totally blank...villain by calling OTT i think he is weak.
 
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with c/c especially on all 3 streets we don't get any information about the strengh of his hand i think by betting ( i agree with the fact that my bets sucks beacause are too small) OTT he can get many information about his hand and the river IMO its totally blank...villain by calling OTT i think he is weak.
Information is not a reason to bet. Value or bluffing. That's it.
 
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3bet or fold preflop. He's too loose to setmine and too aggressive to try to play a small pot OOP.

As played I don't like the turn bet at all (probably ch/c again on that turn card). Also don't like the river bet. I ch/c on that particular river assuming his bet size isn't extreme but my plan would be to ch/f most rivers.

Could you explain the first bit a little more? Why does an opponent being too loose make it bad to setmine?
 
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Could you explain the first bit a little more? Why does an opponent being too loose make it bad to setmine?
Against non-maniac loose players playing strictly for set value doesn't work because we don't have the implied odds we need due to their range not being strong enough to pay us off when we hit. Generally we should be looking to set mine against strong narrow ranges.

With a hand like 99 we can look to play the hand just based on it's own strength but doing that OOP is hard against all but the most passive players.
 
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Against a lag player that makes sense but this guy doesn't seen to fit that type of player. Seems more like an aggro guy that plays too many hands, correct me if I'm wrong
 
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No I think you have him defined correctly but even against that type of player we're unlikely to make enough money when we do hit to make set mining profitable. He just has way too much junk in his range.
 
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Eh, I think he could pay us off but I haven't played in a while. Main reason I wouldn't want to set mine against him is because he doesn't even have a full stack
 
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Eh, I think he could pay us off but I haven't played in a while. Main reason I wouldn't want to set mine against him is because he doesn't even have a full stack
Yeah he's short but if we think we can get it all if we hit (ie his range was stronger) I'd be alright with set mining vs that stack size.
 
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