$10 NLHE Full Ring: 88 I raise pre, two callers, flop stab called by both

poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2039745
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SB: $8.00
BB: $11.44
UTG: $10.48
Hero (UTG+1): $10.00
MP1: $4.07
MP2: $13.91
CO: $14.64
BTN: $4.68

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with 8 ♣ 8 ♥
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) T ♠ 6 ♦ 3 ♦ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60, BB calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.75) 4 ♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($2.75) 8 ♦ (3 players)
BB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, CO folds

Seems like a pretty good card on the river but also brings both straight and flush draws in. Should I have bet the turn?

I think I raise/fold the river. His bet is quite small, and the hand played out very passively. I think there's room for value from Tx here, make it $3.50? Against someone I knew was good, we prolly can't get worse to call a raise. But we're at 10NL readless, so I think we should go for the extra value.

Betting the turn against two full stacks seems pretty dubious. There are a lot of draws to get value from, but as long as we have no reads other than stack size, it's a pretty good bet someone has a ten. Heads up, we should probably bet this every time. But against two players, I just give up.

What hand are they gonna call on the flop that fills the straight? 5/7? 2/5? No, judging by the weak river bet it looks to me like he has a ten here all day long and not a flush either. He checked the turn because he didn't want to bet and get raised imo. Raise the river all day long to $2.7 around to get calls from tens and fold to a re-raise as he will have the flush.

I just don't think you can get value from a raise here. Yeah it looks weak but i can't see Tx calling a river raise

JOEBOB69 said:

I just don't think you can get value from a raise here. Yeah it looks weak but i can't see Tx calling a river raise

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At 10NL, assume everyone is bad, and then act accordingly unless proven otherwise.

A small value bet might get called here, ace hi may call at those stakes, maybe fold to a reraise-2p is gonna be worried about the flush and straight, so reraiser has you beat.

raise fold sizing is too big

OMGITSOVER9K said:

raise fold sizing is too big

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Why would the sizing be too big?

Have to agree with Cam here, if villain does call with Tx it's prob a elastic range.

JOEBOB69 said:

Have to agree with Cam here, if villain does call with Tx it's prob a elastic range.

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$2 - $2.50 imo, $3.50 is too big to get called by Tx + when we get shipped over we lost like half our stack in a thin value spot.

Why do you think this fish will call for $2, fold for $3? In my experience, fish are pretty inelastic with their calling ranges. And realize this hand is no different than if we had 2:diamond:4:diamond:, except that we now beat TT. Would you really raise just $2 with a flush?

..no stats, assuming he's a fish is ok but its marginal imo.

if we have a flush its more unlikely he has a flush since there's 8 diamonds in the deck as opposed to 10.

we aren't trying to rep a flush, we're trying to be called by worse.. most unknowns are bet folding on this river 3 ways + CO is still to act.

You had no choice but to put out a blocking bet. Just a little smaller.

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OMGITSOVER9K said:

..no stats, assuming he's a fish is ok but its marginal imo.

if we have a flush its more unlikely he has a flush since there's 8 diamonds in the deck as opposed to 10.

we aren't trying to rep a flush, we're trying to be called by worse.. most unknowns are bet folding on this river 3 ways + CO is still to act.

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I love how none of this except maybe the last sentence even applies to what I wrote. This is why I hate every time you post in these threads, even though you're decent at poker. You're terrible at posting on the internet.

they all apply.. -.-

- you said he's a fish, but we have no proof of such things.
- you said 2d4d and 88 are the same here but they're not.
- last ones standard

so yeah, **** you.

Im def raising here. He almost never ever has us beat but as OMG said he wont call $3 with Tx. Im pretty much min raising and a little bit.

It's a raise on the river. $2.22 seems about right. Fold if he pops it. Weak players only raise this river with Tx if they're willing to raise the flop with Tx. He didn't. Likelyhood is that if he raises river, he hit flush. Bad player with Tx will call a smallish raise, however.

Profit.