$10 NLHE Full Ring: 3bet AK called, missed flop

Is cbetting throwing money away? Pf I represent big pairs as well as AK, but he might have like 1010 or jj waiting to shove a flop like this


pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($19.29)
BB ($11.36)
UTG ($4)
UTG+1 ($4.15)
MP1 ($3.70)
MP2 ($10.10)
MP3 ($7.99)
Hero (CO) ($10)
Button ($9.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K , A
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.40, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1

Flop: ($2.95) 6 , 6 , 7 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.80, MP2 raises to $8.70 (All-In), Hero ...

nh

Preflop your 3bet size is a little bit on the big side (10bb is standard)

This is good if you expect him to call with a wide range whick AK plays well against.

This is bad if you expect him to 4bet or fold most of the time and to 4bet a range of JJ+ AK

So if you raised big thinking, "he will call me witrh AQ, KQ, KJs etc" then its fine, if you raised thinking "this guy will probably fold and if he dosent he will likely 4bet" then its bad.

Flop, depends on his range.

If you think he floats OOP a lot (his range is big cards) then cbet here is fine. If you think he would fold AQ or KJs then there is no point to cbetting here. He obviously isnt folding QQ or JJ so we want to be called by worse hands. AK beats a lot of hands he can call a 3bet with OOP so raising to fold them out is incorrect, but if you think they call then cbet for sure. Remember you have position here so getting to SD is easier and a lot of the hands he flats with contain an A or a K so spiking a pair on the turn or river is good for you as you can then value bet it or have him value bet into you.

Thanks Stu makes sense!

Would many players with these stats sets mine 3bets with small PPs?

you havent posted any stats

Oops sorry cant even remember what it was now. What about like someone with vpip 22 and pfr 7

If he was a 22/7 type, it definitely a cbet. That type of passive player is much more likely to play fit or fold and even if he does continue postflop he'll be much more likely to do it with a call.

Not a great board to c-bet.

It isnt great in the sense that nothing should fold, but if virtually nothing folds, AK is ahead and its a value bet.

Stu_Ungar said:

It isnt great in the sense that nothing should fold, but if virtually nothing folds, AK is ahead and its a value bet.

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Thinking about AK's value at showdown when you're 3 streets away from showdown is pretty pointless.

I questioned my play because I felt that I am putting a lot of money in on a cbet bluff on a board that isn't scary to pretty much anything. The only reason I would get folds is that my preflop actions rep big pairs, however if 7-10s call a 3bet they aren't folding on the flop.

On hindsight maybe I should have checked behind and used my position. I have a chance to spike my pair or get to a cheap showdown?

I'd definitely be c-betting this if it wasn't a 3bet pot as a lot of what will call you on the flop will have to fold to overcards like J,Q,K,A... So in other words lots of scare cards can come and we have still have a good chunk of equity in the hand so we could double barrel. But in a 3bet pot like this i always feel less inclined to bet out against most people, i think if you know theyre fit or fold players c-betting is fine here but if theyre not folding a lot i dont like c-betting because i often end up in a pot ive put too much money in, and i end up losing my balls to bet again or something and villains 44 scoops the pot, so i guess yeah if theyre fit or fold its gonna be profitable c-betting just like c-betting in non-3bet pots is but if theyre not then it could be tricky for you.

acky100 said:

I'd definitely be c-betting this if it wasn't a 3bet pot as a lot of what will call you on the flop will have to fold to overcards like J,Q,K,A... So in other words lots of scare cards can come and we have still have a good chunk of equity in the hand so we could double barrel. But in a 3bet pot like this i always feel less inclined to bet out against most people, i think if you know theyre fit or fold players c-betting is fine here but if theyre not folding a lot i dont like c-betting because i often end up in a pot ive put too much money in, and i end up losing my balls to bet again or something and villains 44 scoops the pot, so i guess yeah if theyre fit or fold its gonna be profitable c-betting just like c-betting in non-3bet pots is but if theyre not then it could be tricky for you.

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For a block of text with zero punctuation, that actually made a lot of sense.

Checking back this board is fine in a 3-bet pot. I'd prefer you had some back door draws or something, but in a 3-bet pot very little folds here. Plus we get closer to showdown so we can actually start thinking about that showdown value that Stu alluded to.

ya I'd check back, cbet in a normal raised pot because we'll be good here more often.

I think I check flop here as others have said its not great board to c bet as he will rarely fold his PP. And all of his Ax or whatever junk we are ahead of anyway.