$10 NLHE Full Ring: 16nl, fist pump value shove?

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been running pretty good lately so not been put in any tough spots, this is the weirdest one I've had in a bit..

pokerstars - $0.16 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: $24.41
BTN: $16.00
SB: $16.70
BB: $16.00
UTG: $16.00
Hero (UTG+1): $16.00
MP: $17.85
MP+1: $11.41
LP: $6.40

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero has Ad Qh

fold, Hero raises to $0.48, MP calls $0.48, fold, LP calls $0.48, fold, fold, SB calls $0.40, fold

Flop: ($2.08, 4 players) 5c 2d Qc
SB bets $0.48, Hero raises to $1.44, MP raises to $2.88, fold, SB calls $2.40,

Hero ??

this spot might be way simple and i'm not seeing it, I dunno.
 
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If MP is aggro pushing draws this is a jam, otherwise a fold, hard to say without reads.
 
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you think someone clicks it back in a 3 way pot with a draw?

if anything i figured they'd want to maximise fold equity by raising more/moving in..

not going against you, just wondering what you think of it.

so no-one thinks they can ever have worse Q's here?
 
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doubt this is ever a worse Q enough for the times its a set or an overpair, if hes an aggressive fish then you could happily snap but then you'd know hes capable of doing it with worse Q's.

raise more pre too
 
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Without a specific read this is a fold for me but I'm a nit
 
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doubt an overpairs ever gonna show up.. pretty sure I get 3 bet especially as I raised UTG+1.

and yeah, the nit in me makes me want to fold (dooydoo coaching, he's a bit of a nit imo :) )

but the donk bettor is obv a fish, by bet sizing.. and I had the other one tagged as a fish as well.. trying to look up stats now.

ok PT3's being difficult this morning and won't let me load up stats..

sorry I'll try put them up in a later post.
 
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I'd snap fold if villain weren't short stacked.
As it stands I still think I fold. 3betting a flop multiway is just so strong.
 
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Its probably possible that there is overpairs just to clarify your thinking that they would 3bet more because you were UTG, really they should 3bet less because youre UTG because 3betting people UTG looks so strong +fish dont like 3betting monsters, but thats off the point, people probably arent gonna understand table dynamics well enough anyways and might just auto 3bet KK,AA, everytime where ever they are, i think you're crushed here too much to get fancy here anyways
 
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I guess, but these were both fish. stats still won't show up so thats a lost cause.

and it does look super strong, but with a so many players behind to act, does any 'reg' want to go into a potential multiway pot with AA/KK?

on top of the fact I think you give 10nl regs too much credit for thought processes..

and people at 10nl call too much pre and post flop, 3 betting AA/KK is more profitable imo.
 
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I'd snap fold if villain weren't short stacked.
As it stands I still think I fold. 3betting a flop multiway is just so strong.
No one left in the hand is short stacked. Super standard fold.
 
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Hate spots like this.

Vs another re-raise and a "flat" I'm just folding and cba getting in to spots like this with TPTK. Unless they are really bad then I'm folding in general, wait for a better spot. Chances are one has a flush draw, the other has a weird two pair or set. If they are doing this with K,Q/J,Q etc then note it as total fish who you are willing to stack next time on a Top pair.

Two pair/sets etc are all possibilities and still flatting a pocket overpair pre flop is also very feasible.
 
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This is a fold and it's not too close, unless they are true droolers that can play KQ for value like this, this looks like set vs draw everytime
 
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the showdown will make you lot laugh then haha..
 
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Nope. I don't care if they both have Q4o, folding here is 100% correct with the information we've been given.
 
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ok then, it won't make WV laugh..

but imo (maybe/probably is wrong) we're only worried about the guy that min clicked it back over the top of our raise.

first of all, the fish donked it small then just called 2 raises.. they could be slow playing but I don't think he is here.. more than likely he has a worse Q/one pair hand if he had better he'd go for stacks.

the player behind me is the one I'm worried about.. the small raise seems to be for value so we're giving them a range of 22/55? (QQ's not possible since we have one, there's one on board and the SB has one in my theory)

so we're worried about one player giving him a range of 2 hands.. am I right?
 
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I fold. You are taking such a strong line in a multiway pot and he still raises you. Unless i know for a fact he has worse than AQ here then im folding. We dont know and so i fold. More often than not i expect to see a set here.
 
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ok then, it won't make WV laugh..

but imo (maybe/probably is wrong) we're only worried about the guy that min clicked it back over the top of our raise.

first of all, the fish donked it small then just called 2 raises.. they could be slow playing but I don't think he is here.. more than likely he has a worse Q/one pair hand if he had better he'd go for stacks.

the player behind me is the one I'm worried about.. the small raise seems to be for value so we're giving them a range of 22/55? (QQ's not possible since we have one, there's one on board and the SB has one in my theory)

so we're worried about one player giving him a range of 2 hands.. am I right?

You're quite right really, theres not a ton of combinations he can have, but you gotta remember people do get hands.

Making a mistake folding here would still be 10000x better than making a mistake continuing with the worst hand. Avoid the meh spots and crush bitches until you have evidence that he bluffs here
 
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