$10 NLHE Full Ring: 10NL Interesting Draw

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$10 NL HE Full Ring: 10NL Interesting Draw

Stacks:
CO $5.10
BTN with $10.25
SB with $10.86
BB with $8.51
UTG with $12.44 (hero)
UTG+1 with $12.19
MP1 with $10.15 (Villian)
MP2 with $10.60
MP3 with $5.91


Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
Dealt to UTG:K♦ A♥
Sklansky group 2
Preflop: Hero raises to $0.30
1 players fold.
MP1 raises to $1
6 players fold.
Hero raises to $3
MP1 calls [$2]
Total folds this street: 7
Potsize: $6.15
Flop: 6♣ 6♥ 6♦ Hero bets [$9.44, and is all in]


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OK I have posted this because I am not sure if I played it well or played it badly.

Preflop... I raise, he re-raises, I re-re-raise, he calls.... So I figure he dosent have AA/KK. Most likely I think its QQ/JJ AK/AQ

On the flop A6 makes quads, but A6 dosent fit the preflop betting.

So Im either ahead of AQ, tieing with AK or behind with a draw on QQ/JJ

So I think, he capped the betting preflop, so whilst I think he hasnt got AA/KK... he dosent know that about me.

I also think that if he has QQ/JJ and an A or K shows on the turn or river then it freezes the betting.. so I cant look to implied odds.. once I make my hand thats it.. if I don't make my hand then I loose.

So I decide to shove... thinking well he may fold especially the AK/AQ hands. If he calls then I should have 6 good outs. 6 Outs with two cards to come is just over 3:1 .. im getting more like 2:1 .. but with the chance of some fold equity 2:1 dosent look so bad. And this is the only way to actually get paid on the hand because once an A or K comes he wont put more money in with a hand that I dont tie with.

If he bets and I shove, then I believe it less likely that he folds to a shove. If he bets and I call, I dont have the odds to shove with only 1 card left to come.

Bear in mind I only had 15 seconds to think of that.. and I am still very much a beginner!!
 
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Just remembered.. I had 7 outs.. I counted the 6 as an out.
 
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Reads on villain? For him to flat your 4bet with AK/AQ would be very bad, tbh. Do you have a read he's bad enough to do this ?

I don't see how you can have fold equity here. People usually don't fold overpairs in 4bet pots, and even if they do, they don't fold boats, usually. Without fold equity, your shove is spewy.
 
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Reads on villain? For him to flat your 4bet with AK/AQ would be very bad, tbh. Do you have a read he's bad enough to do this ?.


I dont have enough info on the villian to have a definate read... but I have seen AK/AQ overplayed this way many times recently so I started including it in possible hands for all players at $10NL in a 4-bet situation.

Maybe I should remove them from my interpritation of a 4 bet call range.
 
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Incidentally.. I dont know if others are noticing this but there seems to be two distinct types of tables at 10NL.. those where 3 and 4 bet are so uncommon that it has to signifiy AA/KK (the most common I find)

The second is one where 3/4 bet seems to happen every two orbits.. mainly instigated by the same two players. This is the kind of table I found myself at.

I have been assuming that their ranges must be wider than most and have attribuited this to them purposfully 3 and 4 betting light. Not because they are exeptionally bad players but because they see themselves as particually good players.

Just my thoughts on what I'm seeing right now
 
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I dont have enough info on the villian to have a definate read... but I have seen AK/AQ overplayed this way many times recently so I started including it in possible hands for all players at $10NL in a 4-bet situation.

Maybe I should remove them from my interpritation of a 4 bet call range.

Well, a decent villain should either fold or 5bet shove preflop with AK/AQ. Flatting and playing fit or fold on the flop is terrible.
 
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Well, a decent villain should either fold or 5bet shove preflop with AK/AQ. Flatting and playing fit or fold on the flop is terrible.


So what you are saying is thet the 4-bet flat range is most likely AA/kk + possibly QQ

But the 5bet / shove could include AK/AQ because of the fold equity the shove produces.
 
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So what you are saying is thet the 4-bet flat range is most likely AA/kk + possibly QQ

But the 5bet / shove could include AK/AQ because of the fold equity the shove produces.

Depends how fishy villain is.
 
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I would think villian has at least a pocket pair to bet like he did, I would've probably bet on the flop, but the shove seems too defensive. If you had the hand (either the case 6 or a big pair) I think a smaller/regular...1/2 pot or so bet would represent better.
 
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What are you trying to achieve with a shove here? He isn't going to fold any hand than you beat and will fold the hands that you do, imo. So all you are doing is losing the max when you are behind and winning the minimum when you are ahead.

This seems to me to be a WA/WB situation although a damn ugly one where you would be better off check/calling to hopefully get him to bet worse AJ/AQ if he is that bad, or check 10's or JJ's back and you can reevaluate the turn.

FTR - I probably would have shoved to because of not knowing what to do and not wanting to fold AK here but I am sure that is correct.
 
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