$10 NLHE Full Ring: 10NL: Absolutely Insane hand

$10 NL HE Full Ring: 10NL: Absolutely Insane hand

I'm not claiming that I played this hand well. But it was funny as hell. As played, I figured I was getting it in good the majority of the time. And was really only afraid of AA. Well, and A-3 or 6-3 which were possible but not likely. Part of this was just the way this player had played. They might be shoving an over-pair here but it's not massively likely. I rather suspected this was a one pair hand at best... a lot of A-K type bluffing too. This player was a massively bluff heavy player. This could be a pure bluff with K-Jo with what I have previously seen. When his bluffs were factored in, and my coin-flip equity against most of his pairs, I felt that I was good against his shoving range. I don't really think he shoves A-3 or 6-3 mainly because he would try and trap me with a lot of those hands.

Is my line ok?

Merge $0.05/$0.10NL Hold'em -- (9 players)
0: UTG+1: $10.25
1: MP1: $9.90
2: Villain (MP2): $12.79
3: MP3: $3.74
4: Hero (CO): $19.99
5: BTN: $7.01
6: SB: $15.88
7: BB: $8.14
8: UTG: $17.93

Saw Flop
Saw River

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 4 3
3 folds, Villain raises to $0.40, MP3 calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.75) 4 5 2 -- (4 players)
Villain bets $1.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.35, 1 fold, Villain raises to $12.39, Hero calls $7.04

Hi Breakpkr4u, interesting hand. I edited the op to remove results and added the question. Please read the posting guidelines here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/hand-analysis-read-before-posting-168591/

Raising the flop is a mistake imo even w your reads that Villain is bluffy. Our hand is too good to bluff with but not good enough to get it in - unless we're assuming we have a ton of fold equity, this should be a call/evaluate turn imo.

slycbnew said:

Hi Breakpkr4u, interesting hand. I edited the op to remove results and added the question. Please read the posting guidelines here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/hand-analysis-read-before-posting-168591/

Raising the flop is a mistake imo even w your reads that Villain is bluffy. Our hand is too good to bluff with but not good enough to get it in - unless we're assuming we have a ton of fold equity, this should be a call/evaluate turn imo.

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+1

too much equity to fold

not enough to raise the flop.

Here we just want to call and re evaluate the turn.

Its also not a good spot to turn your hand into a bluff because

1. Your hand has a lot of equity, why bluff?

2. What are you representing? 36d? mmmm unlikely isnt it!

Fold preflop.

I wouldn't bet flop.Maybe just call.
You could wait for better starting hand to stack him out.

I don't understand why everyone is saying this is a call/evaluate spot, we have an open ender with a fd on the board, so already we're down to 6 outs, amongst the pf raiser and the 2 other callers there's a good chance that maybe two of the aces are already out so there's us possibly down to only 4 outs. Plus if we flat there's 9 uncounted diamonds we do not want to see which kill the hand for us.

The raiser leads out which is standard, but to a decent sized amount, this aint a 3bet pot but it's starting to grow some already and we have a very marginal hand given the possible card removal, plus we have the BTN still to act who could have limped behind with all sorts that smashes this board, plus if i was the button there with a huge range i'd be DYING to squeeze if we flat behind as it looks/is weak as shit.

Am i being really dumb here and missing a good spot?? If so can someone please explain to me why b/c i don't see much of an argument for continuing here tbh

This is def a fold PF but on the flop i don't like raising, i def dont like flatting and out of the 3 i'd rather fold and avoid a very marginal situation imo

WVHillbilly said:

Fold preflop.

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Definately.

Our hand might be OK to over call with, but is way too weak to cold call with.

orangepeeleo said:

I don't understand why everyone is saying this is a call/evaluate spot, we have an open ender with a fd on the board, so already we're down to 6 outs, amongst the pf raiser and the 2 other callers there's a good chance that maybe two of the aces are already out so there's us possibly down to only 4 outs. Plus if we flat there's 9 uncounted diamonds we do not want to see which kill the hand for us.

The raiser leads out which is standard, but to a decent sized amount, this aint a 3bet pot but it's starting to grow some already and we have a very marginal hand given the possible card removal, plus we have the BTN still to act who could have limped behind with all sorts that smashes this board, plus if i was the button there with a huge range i'd be DYING to squeeze if we flat behind as it looks/is weak as shit.

Am i being really dumb here and missing a good spot?? If so can someone please explain to me why b/c i don't see much of an argument for continuing here tbh

This is def a fold PF but on the flop i don't like raising, i def dont like flatting and out of the 3 i'd rather fold and avoid a very marginal situation imo

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CO opening range could include any braodway + all PP + all aces + all SC.

His c-bet does not nessicarily represent anything yet, our hand could very well improve significantly + we have no reason to assume villian is doing anything more than c-bet.

Plus we have to do stuff like this when playing weak hands in position (at least some of the time) otherwise they are just not profitable enough just to call and hope to flop the nuts and then hope villian chooses to stack off.

We have the BTN still to act behind us though, i think this changes the hand completely, if i was on the BTN and finished the action then yes i'd flat it and evaluate the turn.

This isn't a regular 'playing a hand in position against a perceived wide opening range' spot though imo, if we ended the action then all of your points are correct and valid but if the BTN flats behind us then that negates all our power being in position against the raiser, if you flat here a lot of the value comes from being able to bet turns when checked to but with the BTN behind we can't do that surely??

Say the turn bricks, the raiser checks, we bet out, BTN flats behind us and the raiser folds, now we're oop with a crap hand that we should have folded preflop and then on the flop! Does anybody see where im coming from at all?!?! The way i see it the opening raisers range means not a hell of a lot as we are not in absolute position in this hand and with someone yet to act behind us i HATE flatting here

To the OP, in my mind this is why the PF call for me is so absolutely horrible, if we were on the BTN then i wouldnt mind calling at all, but we still have 3 people to act behind us and it just puts us in spots like this, poker can be sooooooo much easier lol

Oh scrap what I said.

Thsi hand gets worse every time I look at it.

I thought villian was in the CO and we were calling on the button (which isnt all that great with this hand)

Instead villian is MP and we are in CO.

FOLD FOLD FOLD.

Stu_Ungar said:

Oh scrap what I said.

Thsi hand gets worse every time I look at it.

I thought villian was in the CO and we were calling on the button (which isnt all that great with this hand)

Instead villian is MP and we are in CO.

FOLD FOLD FOLD.

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Praise the lord, i thought i was going crazy!! Glad you seen the light Stu

Fold preflop, most of the times with this hand u get in spots like this, if u wanna play suited conectors play 67+, but play them carefully... and about this hand... on the flop check/call and if u dont hit the turn check/fold, dont like the raise preflop and bad call the re-raise call

thanks for the advice to keep an account of them thanks