$10 NLHE 6-max: Would you put me on a straight here?

$10 NL HE 6-max: Would you put me on a straight here?

I was already ready to give up on turn, but got tht gut feeling which told me tht villain was weak and i decided to represent straight... So did my bluff make any sense?
Also Im prety new to cash games and i often find myself bluffing too often.




Stage #1874498897: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2010-01-27 23:32:58 (ET)
Table: VERMONT ST (real money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - SULTANOVIC ($20.63 in chips)
Seat 3 - GOHENK ($9.89 in chips)
Seat 4 - YAVOK ($6.39 in chips)
Seat 5 - YOSHIGIXXER ($10.06 in chips)
Seat 6 - FELSEN ($14.35 in chips)
Seat 1 - BESTINDABIZ51 ($10.20 in chips)
GOHENK - Posts small blind $0.05
YAVOK - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to FELSEN [10h Js]
YOSHIGIXXER - Folds
FELSEN - Raises $0.35 to $0.35
BESTINDABIZ51 - Calls $0.35
SULTANOVIC - Folds
GOHENK - Calls $0.30
YAVOK - Folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 2c 6c]
GOHENK - Checks
FELSEN - Bets $0.77
BESTINDABIZ51 - Calls $0.77
GOHENK - Folds
*** TURN *** [8s 2c 6c] 7♥
FELSEN - Checks
BESTINDABIZ51 - Bets $1.60
FELSEN - Raises $3.90 to $3.90
BESTINDABIZ51 - Calls $2.30
*** RIVER *** [8s 2c 6c 7h] K♥
FELSEN - All-In $9.33

I removed the results from OP, hope you don't mind - putting the results into the OP kinda biases the discussion that follows. Also, try to use a hand converter, here's one: www.handconverter.com

I wouldn't really believe a straight (if you caught the straight, you turned a gutshot), but w the c/r I'd probably credit you for at least two pair - but I might also decide you're holding a 9x hand and are on a draw. It'd depend on how you've been playing to this point.

Keep in mind, though, that most players at 10nl are playing their own cards, not what you're repping - it's dangerous to try to rep monsters at 10nl.

No.

On the flop your range has mostly missed, at best you've got a pocket pair or overcards (possible overcards with flush draw). The cbet is standard and doesn't change your range.

Turn c/r is where it gets weird. It looks very bluffy. I mean, what hand would you do this with?
T9s... maybe. You almost never have 45 or 59 here (MP raise pre-flop), and to be honest I don't include a lot of SCers in a standard MP range so T9s is improbable. Two pair, sets and overpairs all bet rather than c/r so by doing that you polarize your range to nuts or air.

River, I'm more concerned that you might have caught the K than have the straight but it's a pretty standard call.


I think at $10nl the best approach to multiple street bluffs is to barrel only scare cards that your range as pre-flop aggressor (A's and K's mostly) or cards that give you a draw. You picked up a lot of outs on this turn, four 9's, three T's and J's so betting again makes sense but check raising commits a lot of chips against an opponent who has indicated strength and like I already said, polarizes your range.

I just want to clarify one point in my above response.

A check raise on the turn is usually very strong. What makes this turn check raise look really weak (to me) is because the board missed most of your range and is so draw heavy that any of the hands that you could actually have here (sets/overpairs) will rarely risk a check raise.

Then again, I already know it's a bluff so maybe that makes me biased.

I think analyzing from our stand point...and from the the standpoint that many of the players youre playing against is totally different.

80% of the people you play at 10nl wont spend 5seconds as to think what you could have PF and what you could have on the turn and river. If they call flop and lead turn, they are probably in for the ride, where ever that may take them.

A lot of them don't consider lines to be anything meaningful. To us a call on flop and c/r on turn vs a fish is obviously a monster and usually a fold w/o implied odds to call...etc...but to them, its just a gamble and if they lose they lose.

So the bottom line at 10nl and probably all micro stakes, although ive only been up to 25nl, is dont bluff. Value betting with made hands/good draws on the flop, turn and river(with made draws!) will be a LOT of your profit at this stake, and I still have to figure that out. Risk vs. reward isnt worth it in regards to bluffing at the micros.

If you can think outside of the present hand, you can really overcome loses in the long run. You have to let your missed draws go, and take adv. of your made ones, and that will be plenty to make it +EV.

Also, with a draw, by the time you get to the river the pot is usually substantial enough for your bluff bet to have to be big to be convincing. Anyone will have odds to call a quarter sized bet on the river, and a pot sized bet would have to be effective a lot of the time to be +ev i think, but i may be wrong.

/end rant