$10 NLHE 6-max: will you flod kk here

CO: $28.12 (281.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $8.10 (81 bb)
SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $15.65 (156.5 bb)
UTG: $7.11 (71.1 bb)
MP: $5.25 (52.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.65) J 2 4 (2 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.92, BB calls $0.62

Turn: ($2.49) Q (2 players)
BB bets $1.24, Hero raises to $3.72, BB calls $2.48

River: ($9.93) J (2 players)
BB bets $10.71 and is all-in,

Do you have any stats on BB?

Sick situation, but reads would help.

You have about 3$ left so any info you have on BB and how he sees you would help.....

Why are you not fully stacked?

Start every hand with at least 100bb.

Never fold the river. You need to be good like 20% of the time and it's Blind v BTN so you almost certainly are.

WVHillbilly said:

Start every hand with at least 100bb.

Never fold the river. You need to be good like 20% of the time and it's Blind v BTN so you almost certainly are.

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what are we beating that gives us 20%?

TylerN said:

what are we beating that gives us 20%?

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Pure bluffs and AQ should be plenty.

AA,QQ-JJ,44,22,AJs+,AJo+

with above range, we are still at 40% equity OTR. And no bluffs here at all.

But I think his range is weighted such that by the river our equity is not that good at all.

It almost has to be a call with these odds, BUT he must know that (reads??) and will have the J a lot.


I did not include JQ but still


Just looking again. His line screams J here. How can he be betting and calling the re raise every street? If he is 55/45 well, thats one thing, if he is 21/18 or w/e......

i fail to see how AQ or any bluffs are in his range after he donk/calls a raise otf unless its suited, which then were beat.

you only beat a/q and smaller pairs here and with no fold equity for the villan this is almost never a bluff. And not having 100 bb is not that big o deal it actually helps polorize villans range here. I hate that always have 100bb comment, there are no always in poker. Remember 90% of poker players are losing players so is doing things that are standard really that good. Think about it.

Raise flop a little more (1.10ish), and shove turn.

As played, on the river it's pretty close. He played it like he has a J or a badly played flush draw. I think at these stakes you're better off folding because there's few hands he'd turn into a bluff at this point. The best case is that he had a combo draw with a Q on the turn, and that's still not good for you since he would have made his flush.

Plays like a fish, donk betting each street, could be doing it with a Queen, rarely a Jack based on how he played the hand, fish would check call the turn most of the time, could easily be a flush as he doesnt have any concept of pot odds and percentages. But you have invested too much in the pot to fold to the river plus you can get valuable information by calling as well as the fact your hand could be good

with this range: QQ-JJ,44,22,AQs-AJs,AQo-AJo we're still at 36% on the river but I didn't account for possible flushes

bgomez89 said:

with this range: QQ-JJ,44,22,AQs-AJs,AQo-AJo we're still at 36% on the river but I didn't account for possible flushes

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Mmmm... you're looking at a range more like this:

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: Qc Jd Jh 4d 2d

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
16.3352% 15.625% 0.7102% [ KcKs ]
83.6648% 82.9545% 0.7102% [ AA(40),JJ-KK(100), AJo-AQo(100), AJs-AQs(100), KdQd(100), AdTd(100), Ad9d(100), Ad8d(100), 44(100), 22(100), KJs(100), KJo(100), Td9d(100), 9d8d(100), Ad7d(100), QdTd(100), J9s+(100), J9o+(100), QJs(100), QJo(100), KdTd(100), 8d7d(100), Ad3d(100) ]

The villian is very loose pre. But in this situation my experience tell me he is not bluff. I know there is some odds here. But every time I called in this situation, I always got beaten.

Tanner1 said:

Remember 90% of poker players are losing players so is doing things that are standard really that good. Think about it.

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The fact that most players are losing players is the reason why you should always start with 100 BBs.

Readless I'd say you're beat close to 90% of the time. This spot is retarded because of the low SPR. I think I'd just shove the turn or call turn/fold river.

I don't see how i can fold here.

I really do not sure if shove is a good idea, because my experience tell me most time they will fold. If they call they definitely have a hand to beat me. In the long run will that be profit?

baudib1 said:

The fact that most players are losing players is the reason why you should always start with 100 BBs.

Readless I'd say you're beat close to 90% of the time. This spot is retarded because of the low SPR. I think I'd just shove the turn or call turn/fold river.

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puke said:

I really do not sure if shove is a good idea, because my experience tell me most time they will fold. If they call they definitely have a hand to beat me. In the long run will that be profit?

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In the long run K/K will always show a profit no matter what. And i do belive you should usually buyin 100 bb deep was just stating that its not the worst thing in the world and in some situations its better to buy in short. At my local B&M you can match half of the biggest stack at the table, i love buying in 250-300 bb deep

John A said:

Mmmm... you're looking at a range more like this:

Ace Poker Drills Poker Equity Calculator
Board: Qc Jd Jh 4d 2d

Equity Win Tie Hand Range
16.3352% 15.625% 0.7102% [ KcKs ]
83.6648% 82.9545% 0.7102% [ AA(40),JJ-KK(100), AJo-AQo(100), AJs-AQs(100), KdQd(100), AdTd(100), Ad9d(100), Ad8d(100), 44(100), 22(100), KJs(100), KJo(100), Td9d(100), 9d8d(100), Ad7d(100), QdTd(100), J9s+(100), J9o+(100), QJs(100), QJo(100), KdTd(100), 8d7d(100), Ad3d(100) ]

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Possibly but I wouldnt include aa/kk.

I really don't see us winning here often at all.

puke said:

I really do not sure if shove is a good idea, because my experience tell me most time they will fold. If they call they definitely have a hand to beat me. In the long run will that be profit?

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What hands are they b/c flop and b/f turn with?

John A said:

Raise flop a little more (1.10ish), and shove turn.

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THIS THIS THIS. EZ game especially given Hero's weird starting stack.

AQ,QK,AJ, Maybe AdKd

baudib1 said:

What hands are they b/c flop and b/f turn with?

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