$10 NLHE 6-max: Why did villain call turn shove?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 42/32/2

Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - http://www.cardrunners.com/

BB: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $29.96 (299.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $13.15 (131.5 bb)
SB: $19.14 (191.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9h Th
CO folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 4c Ts 3d (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $2.10, BB folds, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $2.90

Turn: ($10.90) Ks (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.85 and is all-in, SB calls $7.85

River: ($26.60) 8s (2 players, 1 is all-in)

SB shows 9c 9s

Hero wins $25.60

This hand has been bugging me! The LAG villain can't be a complete fish as when I check out all the tables he's playing at, he seems to be returning a decent profit.
Just wondering if anything about my play would lead him to believe that his 99 was good - ie did I do a bad job in representing strength, or was his turn call (and 2nd flop call) just plain terrible?
Also is my shove on the turn too reckless? You'd think it'd only be called by a better hand. Whilst I did half suspect the villain had a medium pocket pair, you wouldn't normally expect him to call a shove in that spot. So if I'm confident in my read, should I be betting less or checking, in the hope of inducing a turn raise or river bet? :s:
 
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You have just overplayed your TP. I will fold to the villain's flop check raise instead of 4bet, and will never shove on the turn. Only 2 pairs or pure air can play in this way reasonable. So he may think you are bluffing with AQ and try to catch your bluff.
 
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I think villain was taking a chance or was sure that his pair on the flop was good and he was counting on you to have over cards or a draw. He thought he could make you laydown a pair of tens by representing a set :).

He should have got the memo when his raise got re raised and booked his losses but some people do get committed to a pot after putting a few chips in so he could not get away.
 
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@ tomnovember - normally I would have seriously considered folding to a check raise on the flop in this spot, but the guy was playing aggressively and it felt like he was trying it on. My flop cbet was pretty standard and by no means an indicator of strength, and therefore I felt his check raise - bearing in mind his level of aggression - was similarly no guarantee of strength. If he'd had a decent hand, on such a flop, such as a set of 3s or 4s, wouldn't he have been more likely to check call?

My turn shove looks pretty reckless, but ultimately to maintain a strong line I had to bet at that point, and the size of the pot at that point dictated I had to put all my chips in to make a decent sized bet. Checking wasn't an option, as he may well have shoved in that scenario and I probably would've ended up folding the best hand. I figured shoving myself gave me some fold equity, particularly with the arrival of the overcard king on the turn.

I can totally see why you're saying I overplayed my hand, and normally I wouldn't play it the way I did. I guess it felt like I needed to take a stand against his loose/borderline maniac tendencies, and luckily it came off! :)
 
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@ suby_rafael. Yeah, totally agree with your explanation. Good to know that he is the type that doesn't want to put a hand down - hopefully when I play him again he won't have learnt his lesson!
 
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You have just overplayed your TP. I will fold to the villain's flop check raise instead of 4bet, and will never shove on the turn. Only 2 pairs or pure air can play in this way reasonable. So he may think you are bluffing with AQ and try to catch your bluff.

Nice read here. Actually I don't think the villain's play is correct. You worth the pot
 
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You have just overplayed your TP. I will fold to the villain's flop check raise instead of 4bet, and will never shove on the turn. Only 2 pairs or pure air can play in this way reasonable. So he may think you are bluffing with AQ and try to catch your bluff.

I agree with this comment
I think it looks like you have complete error or 10A cause no one ever 4 bets 910 with top pair no kicker there and then shoves the turn after the worst scare card a King comes. Its genious that you played top pair this way in this exact spot and just gave him the business but it looks a lot to me like you hold a lot of A2-A5 with gut shots small pairs and stuff, a lot of bluffs, and some sets you could have played like that.
 
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I agree with this comment
I think it looks like you have complete error or 10A cause no one ever 4 bets 910 with top pair no kicker there and then shoves the turn after the worst scare card a King comes. Its genious that you played top pair this way in this exact spot and just gave him the business but it looks a lot to me like you hold a lot of A2-A5 with gut shots small pairs and stuff, a lot of bluffs, and some sets you could have played like that.

Yep. But this type of playing may paid off great values to overpairs, 2pairs and sets.
 
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