$10 NLHE 6-max: Weak pair in 3bet pot

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10NL 6-max zoom on pokerstars. Both villains are unknown.

Hero (BTN): $19.63
SB: $18.69
BB: $19.40
UTG: $17.32
MP: $9.55
CO: $9.55

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 6:diamond: 8:diamond:
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB raises to $1, BB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.00) 7:club: 7:spade: 8:heart: (3 players)
SB bets $1.31, BB folds, Hero calls $1.31

Turn: ($5.62) 5:spade: (2 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($10.62) 2:heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

What do you think about the way hero played this hand?
 
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I play it the same. But if BB didn't come along preflop, I'd have folded to the 3-bet.
 
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hello friend ...i think at turn hero should reraise ...acting like he got three of a kind ....he played the hand passive ..and its very dangerous .last but not least the opponent raise was out of strategy because he checked at river
 
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hello friend ...i think at turn hero should reraise ...acting like he got three of a kind ....he played the hand passive ..and its very dangerous .last but not least the opponent raise was out of strategy because he checked at river

This was something I heavily considered at the time, but I ended up taking the passive option of just flat-calling and I'm not sure if my line was the most optimal line to take.
 
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I play the same too. If he 3barrels turning the hand to a bluff by raising might work?
 
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I play it exactly the same. except that i might bet like 30% on the river to get paid by A highs some of the time. But checking back is best cause he checks hands like JJ,TT,QQ,KK here for pot control with the intention to call so well played imo.
 
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200 deep, I guess this is okay, but the call preflop is still pretty loose.

Hand plays itself post flop.
 
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I agree that if BB didn't come along preflop, I'd have folded to the 3-bet. On the flop facing nearly half pot size bet with just a pair of 8's I am insta folding. We aren't looking to fop a pair, we are hoping for no less than two pair, but more wanting straight draw or flush draw. Ignore that we paired our 8 and fold. The turn the price is wrong, fold. If the flop would have been 578 we could call an almost half pot size bet with our open ender, but not on the turn. Someone will have to tell me the numbers, but I am pretty certain with only one more street we only hit our open ender slightly less than 20% of the time, about 16%. Especially in deep stack pairs get less and less value. As played though checking after his check on the river is good hoping to possibly pull out a win with our 8's and resisting the urge to bluff at it only to have him 3-bet you leaving you in a messed up place. I am guessing his check on the river was him wondering whether or not you had a 7 or a set to beat his over pair.
 
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Fold pre to the 3bet and let the blinds battle it out IMO. As played bet the river. 1/3-1/2psb and fold to a raise.
 
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I agree that if BB didn't come along preflop, I'd have folded to the 3-bet. On the flop facing nearly half pot size bet with just a pair of 8's I am insta folding. We aren't looking to fop a pair, we are hoping for no less than two pair, but more wanting straight draw or flush draw. Ignore that we paired our 8 and fold. The turn the price is wrong, fold. .

How do you figure the turn price is wrong? What in villain's 3bet range has been improved by 5s?
 
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I don’t think 5 did improve his hand, it made his hand weaker cause now he is worried about draws hitting. I think we only have 16%-20% to hit our straight on the river so a half pot or so bet is to much for us. My math skills are weak here, but isn’t that –EV if we put V on over pair?
 
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We've got 8 outs to a straight plus 3 to a set and 2 to a full house. The 2 7's could also improve villains range to the nuts so let's say we have 11 outs or 22+/-% we're calling 2.50 to win 8.12 so we need about 23% to call so yes it's very close. However we have top pair on a low board. Villain's 3bet range from SB could easily include hands like TT+, 22-55, ATo-AKo,KJo+, QJs+ some low suited connectors and mid broadway 1 gappers. So a really wide range. IMO this isn't a raising hand unless we're attempting to bluff the turn and shove the river but it's pretty easy call IMO.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

My main point is if we're willing to call the flop, we should be willing to call the turn considering villains range hasn't improved however the 5s gives us more outs to the nuts.
 
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I wouldn't have even stuck around to see the turn myself. But we can't be sure some of the outs you said are actually outs cause they potentially could make V hands better.
 
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That's why I discounted the 2 outs (7's) however my maths are off here because I counted 3 outs(8's) which should have been 2 and I also missed 3 (6's) that give us 2 pair. That said I'm still calling the turn.
 
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As played bet the river. 1/3-1/2psb and fold to a raise.
What calls this bet? Ace-high? There's so little value in this bet, and many hands that beat us check this river.
 
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What calls this bet? Ace-high? There's so little value in this bet, and many hands that beat us check this river.

Agreed but he's been pretty sticky through this hand which could be read as a slow played set/FH so a bet on the checked river has a better chance of taking the pot than a check behind. To me it looks as if villain has given up but I could be wrong. If nothing else a river bet puts villain in a spot with a tougher decision.

I still think the best course of action is just to fold pre in this spot. There are too many boards that can make this hand way more difficult than it needs to be, but whenever we check the river, essentially we lose since villain never checks a better hand. I would even say that this could be a good spot for a slight over psb as well but readless I don't think that would be necessary.
 
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Even deep I don't like the call preflop against two hands showing that much strength. You are so rarely going to improve to a Winning hand that it's bound to be negative EV / close to spew.
I suggest you filter your database check how you got on with low suited gappers when you flatted a 3bet with them multi way.
Also as played the flop is also a fold against aggressive betting we don't even have back door flush outs.
You are playing like a wannabe pro, trying to win every hand, good luck with that.
 
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