$10 NLHE 6-max: Villain checks down flopped flush??

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Since I had the str8, as it played out I figured we were chopping at worse....

Not sure what to make of this....

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1686943
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SB: $15.71 - VPIP: 53, PFR: 3, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 118
Hero (BB): $13.78 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.5, Hands: 181302
UTG: $12.09 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 3.3, hands: 931
CO: $10.18 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 0.9, Hands: 1638
BTN: $10.30 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 4.0, Hands: 807

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with J :heart: 3 :spade:
3 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.20) T :club: Q :club: 2 :club: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.20) 9 :spade: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.20) 8 :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.30

Final Pot: $1.20
SB shows 9 :club: 7 :club:
Hero mucks J :heart: 3 :spade:
SB wins $1.15
(Rake: $0.05)
 
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looks like he was either tryin to slow play or was afraid of a another club comming and u makin a bigger flush? hes prolly not a very agressive play imo?
 
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blind on blind limp action, both luck into a decent hand, str8 is drawing dead on flop whats to make of it?
 
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whats to make of it is how badly he played it..

BvB you don't limp, firstly.

and then if you flop a flush you don't check it for 3 streets..
 
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was weak play or possibly deceptive play. In a limped pot with that holding the bestt you are looking for is quads or a flush or outside str8. Checking the flop both gives you a chance to see where your flush stands and if no flush or flush draw for your opp also a chance for them to catch a hand that they will call a raise with...like a str8. Like all things poker it depends on situation. Was this a new player to the table? Have you beaten them outta some small pots earlier? Big ones? Who knows I may not have played it the same way but I just may have. Betting the flop would have made any weak draw fold instead of calling a value river. Was a very conducive board for a flush to get called by a str8 and the line though probably accidental seemed to do the trick.
 
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just really dumb on 97 part to check it down till you bet. obv a newb. If ppl flop a hand in lower limits they feel like they have the nuts, thats one reason why they aren't playing higher limits.
 
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was weak play or possibly deceptive play. In a limped pot with that holding the bestt you are looking for is quads or a flush or outside str8. Checking the flop both gives you a chance to see where your flush stands and if no flush or flush draw for your opp also a chance for them to catch a hand that they will call a raise with...like a str8. Like all things poker it depends on situation. Was this a new player to the table? Have you beaten them outta some small pots earlier? Big ones? Who knows I may not have played it the same way but I just may have. Betting the flop would have made any weak draw fold instead of calling a value river. Was a very conducive board for a flush to get called by a str8 and the line though probably accidental seemed to do the trick.

lol.. right.

to see where your flush stands? LOL.

you're pulling my leg right?

if you flop a flush you should be looking to get it in all the time unless another of the suit comes.. but waiting to see if it comes is lol bad.

and he raised the minimum. min raises are for fish, he's not being deceptive he has no clue.

..not betting the turn is worse than the flop check as well, everything that is somewhat decent has a draw there.

anything you're getting value from on the river you're getting value from on the turn as well.. so not betting there's a problem.

the villains lolbad, thats the point of this post, I don't see why you're defending him.

and no it doesnt depend on situation, the board is wet, you have the near nuts, bet.

simple as.
 
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not really defending them, i agree was weak and a passive line. I get a kick outta the max value idea you aggressive players always have like as though only an aggressive line is the answer. Anyway all I was saying is if you check a flopped weak flush and an otherwise aggressive player bets you have a better idea wher you may be if they check behind you can be sure your weak flush is good. What to do then? Risk a river flush if they are drawing to suck them into calling a river raise if they make that other draw? Why not? Keep that pot small in case your weak holding does get sucked out on. Would you call anything but a min raise on the river? I probably wouldn't so although i agree not betting the turn was weak the river reraise did get called.
 
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are you trying to indicate playing aggressive is wrong?

i'm out, waste of my time.
 
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feigned weakness is more aggressive at times is all i'm saying. an agreesive flop bet woulda resulted in a fold not an extra couple blinds
 
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feigned weakness is more aggressive at times is all i'm saying. an agreesive flop bet woulda resulted in a fold not an extra couple blinds

What if Fletchdad held QT or A2 with the ace of clubs? Surely a bet here on the flop wouldn't scare him away. Hell, if anything we might be able to get all the money in on the flop (if we're lucky).
 
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true and all i'm saying is there is more than one line to take here. You could get it all in with a nine flush you are not beat by much but why bloat a pot on such a wet board. In a bvb hand I'd rather just take it or lose little and get on to the next hand.
 
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Villain should have turned 4-colour deck on preflop.
 
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in the long run you win money by betting.. your thinking is slack in all honesty.

i just flopped a flush, stacked someone because 'us aggressive players' bet instead of checking 3 streets with the nuts.

why bloat the pot on such a wet board?

because we have the effective nuts, and there's so much he's willing to call down 3 streets with thats worse.

any line other than betting/check raising flop is a bad line.

check min raising the river for 'value' is worse.

I mean jheeze its not hard, you're making it needlessly difficult.
 
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The only thing you should make of it is that people play badly.
 
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This and raise preflop.

I get ya, but he is calling here with so much, I am happy checking it down. And rivering a str8..... I would rather raise PF when I have a bit of FE as well, since my hand is basically trash and vs him my FE is low if I have any.
 
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campbell i don't know whats up yer butt on this i was just saying was a weak yet profitable line that non aggressive players might take. hardly defending weak play. If I was in this hand with you and you bet the flop (which you wouldn't since you woulda raised pre and I woulda 4 bet) I would most likely fold. Is a ring game and I can use that quick agreession to my advantage later.Lay of the testosterone there is more than one way to get value from weak hands.
And agreed fletch was a small pot in bb check it down and hope ...then move on...or bet pre and get it done quicker
 
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I get ya, but he is calling here with so much, I am happy checking it down. And rivering a str8..... I would rather raise PF when I have a bit of FE as well, since my hand is basically trash and vs him my FE is low if I have any.
Yeah, he's calling preflop and folding to a cbet like 65% of the time. Highly profitable.
 
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the tilt obv..

I have a problem with people that check the nuts on more than one street.

let alone all 3.

this is why the winning styles are tight-aggressive and loose-aggressive.

passive's a losing style of play.. it can be helpful to let them hang themselves.. but not here.
 
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not really defending them, i agree was weak and a passive line. I get a kick outta the max value idea you aggressive players always have like as though only an aggressive line is the answer. Anyway all I was saying is if you check a flopped weak flush and an otherwise aggressive player bets you have a better idea wher you may be if they check behind you can be sure your weak flush is good. What to do then? Risk a river flush if they are drawing to suck them into calling a river raise if they make that other draw? Why not? Keep that pot small in case your weak holding does get sucked out on. Would you call anything but a min raise on the river? I probably wouldn't so although i agree not betting the turn was weak the river reraise did get called.

So in other words you only bet when you have the nuts? 97 is an idiot for not betting flop. what does he do if another club comes on turn or river. Does he min raise his 9 high flush? i love it when ppl are a head of me try to get fancy then they get sucked out for being dumb.Just bet the flop yeah it worked out good this time for 97 but way to much danger out there to try an sucker someone in.
 
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I'm really defending an outside my range idea here but yes the play was too passive for my liking on the other hand if the hand was up against a nit ( no i don't just bet the nuts I woulda had this hand done pre) letting them catch up in a small pot can lead to quick steals or bad calls later. not the best hand to express this point but hey was what was offered. Basically there is never enough info to determine why a line was taken. Player history and past hands play a big part. Would I play this hand this way against a reg fish that I know would call if they caught up but would not if I raised more than min? Maybe depending on the player. One answer does not always apply is all I'm saying. Terrible line ? For sure. Profitable in that instance ? Indeed. Worth a long drawn out back and forth on max value ? Doubtful.
Fletch ya got away with the min loss in a crappy hand , more aggression pre may have solved it I'm sure you outplayed them later . Info gained on that hand priceless.
 
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When you flop a flush, either someone can make a flush or they have a flopped 2 pair or something, there's not much they can "catch up" with. In fact, in general the idea of letting people catch up is never going to be profitable. If you flop a flush/boat/quads/royal just bet it.

The only thing worse than slowplaying a flush is slowplaying a straight.
 
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crappy thing is that i completely agree just figured i'd offer up a non mechanical outside thought on the hand in question. there is meta game and set up plays ppl, one hand bleeds into another. a min raise after screwing up the flop and turn is not so bad
 
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