$10 NLHE 6-max: Value Bet River ??

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Once they checked the Turn, I thought about value betting the river, but what am I getting called by??

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $25.85 (258.5 bb)13/0 50% AG 16Hands
UTG: $11.15 (111.5 bb)
MP: $8.63 (86.3 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $10.85 (108.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A
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A
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) Q
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2
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Q
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.75) 4
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(2 players)
BB bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72

River: ($2.19) 6
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??
 
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You're getting called by lots of things... so yes, please bet. I'd bet like .85 and get calls from all mid pairs and maybe even A high.
 
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Bet around 40%. It's not thin, you'll get called by plenty: pocket pairs and possibly even an A-high that thinks you're bluffing.


Edit: 40% is 0.87$. John has been improving my bet sizing these past months! :D
 
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raise over 50% of pot
 
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The more interesting decision is whether to cbet or not.
 
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The more interesting decision is whether to cbet or not.

Isn't it standard WA/WB. Would you CBET? What do you do if raised.

Also if they call do you Bet again on Safe Turn.

I actually bet river for 1.30 and they shoved $24. I had effective $7.63 and folded

So bet sizing small on dry i.e. 40% and bigger if it was a wet Board maybe 1/2 - 2/3
 
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Bet around 40%. It's not thin, you'll get called by plenty: pocket pairs and possibly even an A-high that thinks you're bluffing.


Edit: 40% is 0.87$. John has been improving my bet sizing these past months! :D

Yes... .874$ to be exact. :) Bet that much.
 
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Isn't it standard WA/WB. Would you CBET? What do you do if raised.

Also if they call do you Bet again on Safe Turn.
The thing with WA/WB is that it assumes all hands that call a flop bet, you're only getting 1 street of value. But that's not really the case here, lots of hands call 2-3 streets that aren't trips.

In game, I'd probably check back. But it kinda turns our hand face up. We turned down a chance to cbet a dry flop, and pot controlled, so we likely don't have trips or complete air (like 89). Our range becomes like AK and pairs.

If we're OOP, I think it's a clear bet. In this situation, I don't love either option. Checking is prolly the right move, but I think it's more of a decision than the obvious river value bet.
 
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The thing with WA/WB is that it assumes all hands that call a flop bet, you're only getting 1 street of value. But that's not really the case here, lots of hands call 2-3 streets that aren't trips.

In game, I'd probably check back. But it kinda turns our hand face up. We turned down a chance to cbet a dry flop, and pot controlled, so we likely don't have trips or complete air (like 89). Our range becomes like AK and pairs.

If we're OOP, I think it's a clear bet. In this situation, I don't love either option. Checking is prolly the right move, but I think it's more of a decision than the obvious river value bet.

had 2 similar hands earlier, 1 OOP and 1 IP and this time I CBET both

1st Hand
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SB: $11.50 (115 bb)
BB: $16.87 (168.7 bb)
UTG: $14.38 (143.8 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $14.61 (146.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $15.31 (153.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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K
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UTG folds, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15) J
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J
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5
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.73, MP calls $0.73

Turn: ($2.61) 2
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

River: ($5.41) 2
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero Value or Check Back LOL


2nd Hand
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SB: $12.81 (128.1 bb)
BB: $21.73 (217.3 bb)
UTG: $10.87 (108.7 bb)
Hero (MP): $10.03 (100.3 bb)
CO: $6.35 (63.5 bb)36/0 20% AG 11 Hands
BTN: $6.53 (65.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A
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A
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UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.85) T
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J
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J
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) 4
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

River: ($4.65) 6
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(2 players)
Hero check to induce ????
 
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KK: you can bet again, but it's thin. Pocket pairs and the occasional A-high might call, but most of them are folding to a triple-barrel.

AA: definitely check to induce, imo.


I agree with c9h13no3 that we should be betting the flop near-100% OOP, but that it's rather meh IP. I suggest you mix it up IP to balance your checking range. Not that it'll matter much vs non-regs at these stakes.
 
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Just bet 50-55% pot. A lot of worse hands will call, and nobody plays a Q like this.
 
c9h13no3

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KK hand, I check back the river. I wish we had air so we could over bet, because we're super strong compared to his line.

AA hand I check to induce, but not in love with it. Villain looks like a passive fish, if you had more hands on him and he was still fishy, I'd say bet it.

I like the flop bet in both hands.
 
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KK hand, I check back the river. I wish we had air so we could over bet, because we're super strong compared to his line.

AA hand I check to induce, but not in love with it. Villain looks like a passive fish, if you had more hands on him and he was still fishy, I'd say bet it.

I like the flop bet in both hands.
looks like I got both right for a change

KK I did check back and he had Jc9c :)

Flop: ($1.15) J
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J
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5
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.73, MP calls $0.73

Turn: ($2.61) 2
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

River: ($5.41) 2
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Results: $5.41 pot ($0.24 rake)
Final Board: J
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J
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5
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2
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2
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MP showed 9
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J
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and won $5.17 ($2.54 net)
Hero mucked K
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K
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and lost (-$2.63 net)

AA Checked to induce and they shoved with missed draw

Flop: ($0.85) T
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J
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J
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) 4
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

River: ($4.65) 6
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.10

Results: $12.85 pot ($0.58 rake)
Final Board: T
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J
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J
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4
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6
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Hero showed A
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A
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and won $12.27 ($5.92 net)
CO showed 9
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8
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and lost (-$6.35 net)
 
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Cool spot with AA.. im thinking c/c might be best with AA and bet with KK/QQ...
 
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