$10 NLHE 6-max: V overbetjamming river on a 3bet pot

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fold to 3bet - 47%
WTSD - 17
WSD - 40
Fold to cbet - 5/10
No pre raise/check raise stats
river af = 4

pokerstars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 101 BB (VPIP: 28.15, PFR: 25.19, 3Bet Preflop: 11.36, hands: 137)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.04, PFR: 19.79, 3Bet Preflop: 8.45, Hands: 195)
Hero (BB): 160.2 BB
UTG: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 21.46, PFR: 17.13, 3Bet Preflop: 6.95, Hands: 773)
CO: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 20.29, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 71)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qc Ks
fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, SB calls 8 BB

Flop : (22 BB, 2 players) Kh 6d 9h
SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, SB calls 13 BB

Turn : (48 BB, 2 players) 6h
SB checks, Hero checks

River : (48 BB, 2 players) 5d
SB bets 77 BB and is all-in,

It can hardly be a bluff can it? Was prepared to called a decent size on river but didn't expect a jam.
 
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Wow, there are a ton of hands Hero is losing to. 2 pair hans, AK, K9, K5, any 6, 87, 99, 55, and flushes. Hero can only beat a bluff. The shove makes it look bluffy, but how do you know?

Tap the table, fold, "Nice bet," next hand.
 
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Bet more flop.. 3/4

Turn we bet as the boards working against us around 55% was my fav size.


As played im folding 78 or 99s full
 
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You look so weak bc u played the hand wrong.

Betting small on flop and checking that turn with a flush draw tells ur opponent u dont have a decent hand to defend.. looks like your giving up and capped.


As played id snap cuz you will get your opponents bluffing.
 
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As played im folding 78 or 99s full

As played id snap cuz you will get your opponents bluffing.


Lolwut.

But in reality I really think we should be snap folding. We have no flush blockers, the obvious straight came in, we block some of the flopped gutters that could be turned into bluffs now, and mid pairs aren't really incentivized to bluff against us since they will probably expect to have some showdown value.

I'm not saying we NEVER get "owned" here by a bluff, but there's so many strong holdings in villain's range that I don't think this is really close.
 
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Lolwut.

But in reality I really think we should be snap folding. We have no flush blockers, the obvious straight came in, we block some of the flopped gutters that could be turned into bluffs now, and mid pairs aren't really incentivized to bluff against us since they will probably expect to have some showdown value.

I'm not saying we NEVER get "owned" here by a bluff, but there's so many strong holdings in villain's range that I don't think this is really close.

yeah exactly
overcalling these spots have never served me well. Considering all the bluff to value combos on this spot I think the ratio is pretty high.


And I don't think I played the hand "wrong". We need to pot control at one point.
 
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I like the squeeze pre and i like the flop sizing and it's a good spot to barrel the turn for value something like 1/2p again planning on checking back the river.Our hands good for 2 streets of value so it's how we get them.Once we check back the turn we lose control of the pot. If we get raised on the turn it's quite an easy fold. If you held the Qh it would make checking back the turn a more appealing option.
 
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it all depends on your opp calling preflop range. if you think that he has a lot of suited connectors in his range you can fold. you got cap you range by yourself when you are checking this turn, he could jam any Ah in you... so as i understand it's top of your bluffcatcher and if villain is the thinking one and understand all of that, you could find call, if opp is ABC player just fold. about that opp could have 99 or AA, maybe AK as i understand all these hands must be in SB 3 betting range, so we could afraid of them only if villian knows that hero got big squeze range and made adjust for that.... IMHO so what are we talking about easy bet turn and no problems.)P.S: it's so many "if" in this hand, so maybe you could find call and do good note on opponent and next time you will know what he was doing. so you could win this hand and could get good note if you call w ur top blufcatch...
 
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I would bet the turn and then check the river behind. Checking the turn is like a red rag to a bullfish and sometimes they just can't help themselves with the massive bluff.
 
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