$10 NLHE 6-max: Turn snap shove vs mega fish, ahead or not

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Prima, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $11.07 (110.7 bb)
MP: $9.74 (97.4 bb)
CO: $17.16 (171.6 bb)
BTN: $9.25 (92.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J
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Q
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2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 8
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T
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8
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(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05) Q
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(2 players)
Hero bets $10.07 and is all-in, BTN calls $8.25 and is all-in
i know that snap shove might not be the best idea but had history with him on that table that showed that he is an uber fish, do i have enough equity here with TP OESFD and outs for FH
River: ($18.55) 8
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(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $18.55 pot ($0.30 rake)
Final Board: 8
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T
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8
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Q
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8
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Hero showed J
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Q
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and won $18.25 ($9 net)
BTN showed K
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J
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and lost (-$9.25 net)
 
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if you think he is capable of calling which such awful hands then yes
 
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I knew that he can call with any T any 8, any small pocket and maybe any random broadway, just was curious should i do it and do i have enough equity to compensate that he might pull an 8 there
 
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I think it depends how often you think he does the 8 there against how often he's just being fishy.
Hypothetically, if on the turn you were behind but any of your outs will win it (such as if he had AA) then you have 16 outs (9 clubs, remaining 2 Qs, remaining 2 8s and the 3 non-club 9s). That's a fraction over a third of the remaining deck so you'd need pot odds of around 2:1, with the actual pot giving you nearer to 3:2. So in that instance you wouldn't be priced in. Not knowing the hand, he would have to be spewing around 7% of the time for a call to be break-even.
If you think he has the 8, then you lose those as outs so you're even less priced in and therefore he has to be spewing even more of the time for it to be profitable (around 11%). I hope all my maths is good here, I am quite tired lol!
Given your read though and the fact that from you've said he could be making this play with just about anything that could have connected, I think I would be calling here too :)
 
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I dont like the shove but nice hand
 
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Don't like the shove, but if you believe your reads go for it. I see most fish folding everything here, but a ten or j9, yes there are those that will call with anything, but even fish are better now days.
 
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Why not just overbet 2.40$ here instead of shoving?
You can then comfortably shove the rest if you hit a flush/boat.

It still gets plenty of value, but doesn't hold as much risk.


Then again, given with what he called... Nh!
I can't believe he called that with those odds on a paired board. Talk about an uber fish! :eek:
 
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Limp calling for a fish gives him a pretty wide range, but I would think it is skewed towards high cards. His call on the flop doesn't give much more information. I think the push on the turn is excessive and very player dependent. I was surprised you got the call with what you had.
 
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If you have history, then it's hard for people to give advice there unless it's all spelled out on why he'd be calling w/ a wide range. But in general, I think just potting or slightly over betting is better. You have to trust your reads though.
 
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Thanks for the reply guys. I understand that this is one of my big leaks shoving with this type of hands or TPMK kinda hands and I usually do that when I'm running really bad and I add the loses with this kind of plays...
 
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