$10 NLHE 6-max: turn decision.

forsakenone

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this guy played only 3 hands at the table, and so far he has been 0/0/-

what do you think about firing this turn here?

Entraction - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: €4.83
UTG: €6.07
MP: €3.16
Hero (CO): €10.00
BTN: €10.00
SB: €10.00

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (€0.15) Hero has 8:spade: 7:spade:

UTG calls €0.10, MP raises to €0.20, Hero calls €0.20, BTN raises to €0.80, fold, fold, UTG calls €0.70, fold, Hero calls €0.60

Flop: (€2.75, 3 players) 4:spade: Q:spade: 9:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets €1.90, fold, Hero calls €1.90

Turn: (€6.55, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero bets €2.40 ??
 
bgomez89

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What were you thinking?
 
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well, I thought representing a 9 would work, pocket 4s perhaps, AQ I might play this way, and he might be able to fold something like KQ QJ JJ TT, maybe he is not folding AQ but if he has AQ he might give up on the river if I shove, plus if he calls I still have my flush outs. he 3bet pre so I suppose he doesn't have 44 or some other full house possibilities unless he has QQ.

he could have AA KK, hands with which he isn't folding to my bet here unless he is stupid, but I figured out that if he has AA or KK he will most likely call here instead of shoving, thus giving me a cheaper river, 'cause if check call I would have to call more then the amount I bet, I assume if he continues to bet the turn he would make it 3/4 pot, something like 4.5$ and I can not call that to chase my flush.

btw my plan was to fold if he shoves on the turn and of course I planned to shove many scary rivers.
 
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You definitely do not represent a 9 by donk betting 1/3pot on the turn in a 3bet pot.

What kind of 9 could villain think that you have by calling a minraise then calling a 3bet OOP? It looks more like you have a pocket pair or some kind of Q to me or a FD throwing out a blocker bet. If I were villain i'd probably just call down with TP+ and let you beat yourself up.

I do like that you think he'll just call the blocker bet, giving you odds for your FD but just know he's probably NEVER folding to it. If you really wanted to bluff you should've just CRAI on the turn
 
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what is CRAI? check raise all in?

and why can't I have a 9? I could be playing suited connectors, makes sense, call the min raise with the suited connectors, calls the ridiculously small 3bet because I have 3.6 to 1 plus I really am playing suited connectors, it just happens that I have 78 but I could have had 9T 9J 89.
 
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and why can't I have a 9? I could be playing suited connectors, makes sense, call the min raise with the suited connectors, calls the ridiculously small 3bet because I have 3.6 to 1 plus I really am playing suited connectors, it just happens that I have 78 but I could have had 9T 9J 89.

Think about it from villain's perspective.

Of course you *could* have a 9, but your range is probably skewed more heavily towards a draw, a bluff, or a weak pair. This is also dependent on your image, but as you say there are only 3 hands between you and villain so there are no reads either way.

If you were in villain's shoes, would you fold to a less than half-pot bet on the turn from an unknown?

The problem here is you are mostly aiming for a fold, and the way you played it will not fold out the type of hands you listed (TPGK-type hands, KK+, or maybe even TT-JJ). If you really had a 9, would you not bet more on the turn to charge draws? Or if you were slowplaying it, let the agressor cbet the turn then chckraise all in on the turn?
 
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If you had some stats on your opponent and he was a habitual 3 better then I would think your play has merit. But given no stats you have to assume standard play. if you had 10-10, JJ on that board would you fold? AK, or AQ? Given no bet on flop I would think most people would call so a bet here is a problem, as it will either get called or reraised all in.
 
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this guy played only 3 hands at the table, and so far he has been 0/0/-

what do you think about firing this turn here?

I think its worse than calling his 3bet.

Why call his 3bet?
 
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If you are a winning player with such donk moves - please let me know which website you play at ? I'd like to try the games there...
 
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If you are a winning player with such donk moves - please let me know which website you play at ? I'd like to try the games there...

The point of these hand analysis threads is to help people learn and improve. Anything constructive he can take from this?
 
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If you are a winning player with such donk moves - please let me know which website you play at ? I'd like to try the games there...

yes, I am a winning player, up 2k this year.

not all my moves are like this one, sometimes I experiment. I am sorry that you are a losing player, good luck.
 
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