$10 NLHE 6-max: trip Aces on flop vs reg

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villain playing 28/10/1 0% 3bet so far on 60 hands, can I get away or shouldn't I?

Entraction - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): €10.15
CO: €9.15
BTN: €13.73
SB: €11.18
BB: €10.77

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (€0.15) Hero has Q:club: A:heart:

Hero raises to €0.35, fold, fold, SB calls €0.30, fold

Flop: (€0.80, 2 players) A:club: A:diamond: 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets €0.60, SB raises to €2.10, Hero ?
 
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I think there are only 2 hands you should really be scared of here. A7 and AK. The question is, do you think he would have called your preflop raise with A7? I'm thinking no, but I also don't know his specific betting patterns. I also think he might have re-raised preflop if he had AK (not positive on this one, but this is just the way I see it). All of this leads me to believe that you are in the lead in the hand or possibly both have AQ. I'm putting him on A2 suited or something similar, maybe a pocket pair above 7's, either way I'm not getting away from this hand.
 
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Just realized I didn't think about villain having pocket 7's....that could put you in a world of trouble...
 
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I don't think you can fold, yet. He seems very passive, so I don't think he would raise with A7 or 77 yet. He could have AK, being so passive he didn't 3 bet PF. I would call and reevaluate on the turn. I see this a lot, when villian has AJ, AT, etc., and they think they are value raising not believing you have a bigger A.
 
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Entraction - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): €10.15
CO: €9.15
BTN: €13.73
SB: €11.18
BB: €10.77

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (€0.15) Hero has Q:club: A:heart:

Hero raises to €0.35, fold, fold, SB calls €0.30, fold

Flop: (€0.80, 2 players) A:club: A:diamond: 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets €0.60, SB raises to €2.10, Hero calls €1.50

Turn: (€5.00, 2 players) J:club:
SB bets €3.75, Hero ?
 
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Fold cause I'm a scared nit? With your flop call, it should be obvious to him that you have a hand, and he's still betting. Without a better read, I'm done.
 
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Wow weak nits ITT. Jam flop
 
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I don't think you can get away regardless, but 6 max I'd of shoved the flop but woulden't be surprised if you was behind to a fullhouse already.

A,7 spades is an easy call 6max, pocket 7'7s of course and then there is A,J's/AK (Although I don't think he's got A,K)

I think you just have to call but be prepared to muck.
 
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I wouldn't even think about folding here. I think any ace would be jamming and you beat most of them. There are only a few hands to be worried about and I think there's more chance if this being a cooler for him than you. I think a lot of players wouldn't believe you have the ace when you bet this flop.
 
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This is an easy shipment of the nickels on the flop.
 
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How often are we getting called by worse?
 
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I don't see why you'd fold tbh. The only thing is how you'd extract max value. For that i'd probably call the flop and hope he donks the turn which will make him pot comitted if he has caugh any piece or has a PP.
 
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@bill, how often do u expect a player this bad to fold an ace
 
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or a 7, for that matter
 
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i think a 7 is pushing it but w/e
 
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I don't think any 7 other than A7 is playing that line.

Not many hands on villian, but with a 28/10/1 and 0% 3 bet, you know a few things. 28 vpip in 6max is loose, but it's nowhere near the point of fishy. 10 pfr means he's pretty passive. 1 agg and 0% 3bet back up that he's very passive.

One MAJOR thing I've learned playing the micros is that when a loose/passive player gets aggro, they've got the goods. We do have a very strong hand, but don't get the blinders on hit the ship button. The flop is an easy call with no draws of any sort. Basically, we are ahead, or crushed at this point. Jamming flop will only get called by hands that beat us, and we'll miss value town of A2-AJ.

Even loose/passive players with hands like AJ, AT, A9 will follow this same line on the flop. I would say 80% of the time they will check/call turn and river and I will get my value bets in. What worries me is when a loose/passive c/r's flop, and value bets turn OOP. We will be playing for stacks on river.

In all, I really don't like folding, and I don't like calling turn either, knowing it will all go in on river. It really is a tough spot. More hands on villian would really help.

If I'm wrong, feel free to run my weak nit self over at the tables.
 
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One MAJOR thing I've learned playing the micros is that when a loose/passive player gets aggro, they've got the goods. We do have a very strong hand, but don't get the blinders on hit the ship button. The flop is an easy call with no draws of any sort. Basically, we are ahead, or crushed at this point. Jamming flop will only get called by hands that beat us, and we'll miss value town of A2-AJ.

Stats indicate that he plays a ton of hands so he pretty much has a TON of aces. One thing about loose passives is that they go insane when they have a hand that they think is big. If you were a fish with A2s, don't tell me you wouldn't think that A2 is now a big hand on a AAx board. We should jam flop because he gets it in with ANY ace he has.
 
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you will all be a little surprised when I tell you what he had :)
 
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Yeah wait. I don't really think any 7 will call if you jam the flop. I do think he can raise your c-bet with it. Even if he's passive: this is a spot where donks think you have to raise for information.
This can also be a pocket pair that he won't let go of. Because he chooses to believe we do not have the A.
 
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Entraction - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): €10.15
CO: €9.15
BTN: €13.73
SB: €11.18
BB: €10.77

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (€0.15) Hero has Q:club: A:heart:

Hero raises to €0.35, fold, fold, SB calls €0.30, fold

Flop: (€0.80, 2 players) A:club: A:diamond: 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets €0.60, SB raises to €2.10, Hero calls €1.50

Turn: (€5.00, 2 players) J:club:
SB bets €3.75, Hero raises to €7.70 and is all-in, SB calls €3.95

River: (€20.40, 2 players) T:club:

SB shows K:diamond: A:spade: (Three of a Kind, Aces) (PreFlop 74%, Flop 80%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows Q:club: A:heart: (Three of a Kind, Aces) (PreFlop 26%, Flop 20%, Turn 14%)
SB wins €19.38
 
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Geez, why show the results in the middle of a discussion?

You got coolered VS a fish.....
 
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